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Global mkts to soften; India to be hit more: Lotus AMC

Published on Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 11:18 , Updated at Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:26
Source : CNBC-TV18

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Ajay Bagga, CEO Of Lotus Asset Management feels that there is a pullback happening which is justified given the kind of sharp drop that we saw in the markets. According to him, the longer-term issues still remain both global as well as domestic and that is what investors should focus on rather than looking at a day or two of markets like these.

 

He said, "A deflationary impact of all the credit issues and the inflationary impact of the commodities largely the oil and how will that impact the US economy in turn which will really determine the direction of the global economy." According to him, we are going to see a pretty soft equity market globally and the Indian market being a high beta market will get impacted even more.

 

Excerpts from CNBC-TV18’s exclusive interview with Ajay Bagga:

Q: Do you think there is a possibility of a relief rally in the near-term?

A: Out of the last four working days we have seen the market bouncing back on three days. So, there is a pullback happening and that was justified given the kind of sharp drop that we did see in the markets. There is nothing very exciting and convincing about it. The longer-term issues still remain both global as well as domestic and that is what investors should focus on rather than looking at a day or two of markets like these.

 

Q: What is the key global issue the market will watch for? Is it crude or some other development?

 

A: Three major issues will be there with at least one of them very much dependent on the other two. One is the credit crisis; we are seeing a resurgent write off-season coming back. In the next 15-20 days, we will see results from major banks, major financial companies coming in. So, a deflationary impact of all the credit issues and the inflationary impact of the commodities largely the oil and how will that impact the US economy in turn which will really determine the direction of the global economy. Those are the three big issues we are not done with. Last week also we saw a lot of activity around fresh capital or a fire sell off assets by major financials being planned.

 

We are about USD 400 billion of write offs but a lot of houses are coming into foreclosure. Month after month it takes about six months from the first Equated Monthly Installment (EMI) to drop to house going into foreclosure and we are looking at a trillion dollar plus of write off. So we are not done here. It will go on for a long time, go into the automobile and the credit card side, bankruptcies are increasing in a scenario where unemployment is going up, it is steady at 5.5%. But employment numbers have been falling for some six months in a row in the US economy.

 

So, overall the macro is pretty scary and that will determine short-term oil price. We are quite convinced that apart from a geopolitical event like Iran getting bombed apart from that oil prices should cool off in the next few months as demand destruction comes in on the commodity side due to a slowing economy. So, that will play out. That will give some relief to oil importers like India but meantime there is no place to hide. We are going to see a pretty soft equity market globally and the Indian market being a high beta market will get impacted even more.

 

 Q: Do you think the equity market has adequately priced in? What might be the outcome of the next monetary policy because the bond yield has gone up to 9.15 out there indicating that rates probably will go up, that is the expectation, is that fully in the price?

 

A: If you see the way the banking sector or the interest rate sensitives automobile, real estate even infrastructure to some extent have been hammered, to a large extent the stock markets have priced it in. The yield curve has already priced in other round of interest rate hikes. For us the repo rate is basically a reference rate. 70% of the borrowers are SMEs or retail clients; the real rates for them are much higher than inflation. So, all this talk of our rates being negative real interest rates is not actually very true.

 

We have seen credit card rates already being increased by the lenders. We have seen automobile rates, mortgage rates going up while retail consumer finance is going into a contraction cycle. So, already the market has been ahead of the curve irrespective of where the Central Banks have been sitting. To an extent, Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has been ahead of the others but we do expect another rate hike if not this policy within the next three months and that is what the yield curve is really reflecting.

 

Q: Any sense of whether or not the mutual funds have begun deploying a little more cash into the market now?

 

A: The June numbers was about 3,400 crore of net buying. What has happened is Q1 saw about 29,000 crore of net inflows, the Q2 has been really dry, April to June Mutual Funds raised hardly about 3,000 crore of net equity assets. The growth was largely in the liquid under liquid plus in the money market side yield curve as far as the mutual fund assets went. Even the 3,000 crore of inflows was largely offset by the valuation losses that happened on the portfolio. So not too much has really been coming in.

 

As of May mutual funds were about 17% in cash, as of June the numbers are still to be collated but they would have gone down slightly with 3,500 crore of net inflows that have come in. Insurance has not been much because Q1 is very small portion of their annual collections, less than 10% of the annual collections coming in Q1. What we have been talking to some of the companies, the numbers are in the 7,000-8,000 crore range, which are okay with respect to last year but not really huge seeing that last year the insurers were able to raise about 88,000 crore of net equity assets. So, we have got a steady 10% inflow but not much more than that. That will get deployed hopefully in the next couple of months.

 

Disclosures: I hold position in all the sectors discussed today.

 

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