Tata Motors

TATA Motors- On ground zero............

Posted by : NODIK

Gaba jee,
What you are saying is right , but we cannot also ignore the fact that development has to go on & land is reqd for urbanization . As such the state or central agencies have to have a proper system on land management. Right now govt is acquiring land , without putting any thought , on the type of land to be aquired. The land aquization officials are doing a mathematical job, rather than giving a thought into the type of land to be aquired for given purpose.
The 2nd most important problem is ' Why should Govt aquire land for private enterprise. Its a free economy, the private should aquire land directly from who's so ever land belongs to, me or u or any one else. Simple as that.
We have out dated archic laws, from british times which govern the aquization of land by the govt, which are just not in tune with time.
State govts are literraly grabbing land under the cover of that archic section.
THIS IS WHAT IS TERMED AS ' ROBBING PAUL TO PAY PETER'/

When so much anomlies/ faults are in the land aquization law,SO THE HEART burning , protests & suicides , & then the ugly politicians step in to make matters worse, & every thing comes to stand still , & everyone is a loser xcept the dirty politicians, who has no interest in anything xcept himself.
In singur case tata should have acted more 'GENTLEMANLY', rather than a mere shopkeper, asking CM of WB to fight for him.
If he would have wanted , he could have easily solved the matter with the farmers directly, & not black mailed the entire nation. This cry baby immage of TATA will not be forgotten by the general public & specially his share holders. thanks gaba jee for reading all this.May be we can differ on many counts , but this is what I KNOW.

Nodi ....k

Should Tatas pull out from West Bengal?

Posted by : NODIK

What is the problem,'Tata, Nano,or Singur'. This has bcome the burning topic for weeks & could go on for weeks.Why cant TATA'S PUT A stop to this whole drama. Tata's are giving a wrong impression that it is difficult to industilize in our country & even more difficult in Bengal & if they will threaten to move out , noboy else will enter. This is the 'notion'Tata's are playing on, instead of trying to solve the issue.The problem is not Singur, the Nano, but the TATA Themselves.
Tata's basically are a by-product of Nehruvian Socialism. In those days things were different in 'land aquisations' cases, & people would gladly forgo their land holdings for sake of ushering socialism as the country was seeped in emotions after indipendence. So Tatas faced no problem. They prospered , partly on emotions of the people & partly on the Largsee of the Govt, thro LIC & other govt agencies.
Now the things are very different from those time, Its a market economy, & Tatas are aware of it & shouting, touting ' market economy' in all speres of Business, but when it is Land aquization in Singur & mkt orientated compensation, they are running to Chief minister for ' khuch karro'.Why C.M, & Why not negotiate with the farmers directly on whose land you are building the 'Nano'.Why do you want 'NANO'at the cost of poor farmer.Land Aquization under sectin 5, for public welfare can be considered with proper compensation, but same for Private & profit purposes shall have to be'BOUGHT' from the seller directly.A wake up call 'TATA SAHIB'.
'Tata Nagars' not that easy to come now.A little xtra effort is reqd.... others are waiting in the Q. 'Tu nahin aur sahi'. Thank you for reading this boring message but this is the truth.
Last heard Tata decides to suspend works at Singur. Another Tatas tantrum. What a hipocracy, on one side you are for free market , on the other hand you want free sops & subsidised lands to put your factories.No more 'JAMSHEDPURS' at the cost poor gullible farmers.

Should Tatas pull out from West Bengal?

Posted by : novice1000

dear Nodik,

I do accept some of the points mentioned by you and the Tata\\`s hypocricy.

Infact they are trying to get benefitted from this issue in every possible manner while they are facing the problem of providing the Nano at the said price of one lakh.

Tatas always say they dont like retrenchment.But they did it many a times and every time they come with sugar coated words.

They were so reluctant for TCS IPO when there was real steam in it.When the entire IT services sector crossed the high growth phase, they let TCS came for IPO.

On the other hand, in industries with less NPM , they were always having very less holdings...

It can be summarized as \\` privatize gains and socialize pains \\`.

Howmany people know KK Birla? The one with real humanity.Just to establish an educational institute like BITS pilani, one needs to spend more than 3000 crores for the capex itself apart from the regular funding for the smooth functioning of the institute.

And it is only a part of this greatman\\`s charity program.And to everyone\\`s surprise, this group is only 10000 crore group( in terms of Indian Rupees) and no where in comparision to Tatas.

But no one gives the due credit this great human-being deserves.

There is more to the issue in Singur than what one can see.

Every party involved in the issue is having its own interest including Tatas.

When the country is having more serious issues like Kashmir and the episode in Orissa and the higher inflation and the severe infrastructure bottlenecks... unnecessarily media is wrongly projecting it as the biggest issue in the country.And naturally the entire industrial community is supporting it.

Hope citizens of this country will use their dicretion in the right time in the right manner.

regards

TATA Motors- On ground zero............

Posted by : NODIK

Gaba jee,
What you are saying is right , but we cannot also ignore the fact that development has to go on & land is reqd for urbanization . As such the state or central agencies have to have a proper system on land management. Right now govt is acquiring land , without putting any thought , on the type of land to be aquired. The land aquization officials are doing a mathematical job, rather than giving a thought into the type of land to be aquired for given purpose.
The 2nd most important problem is ' Why should Govt aquire land for private enterprise. Its a free economy, the private should aquire land directly from who's so ever land belongs to, me or u or any one else. Simple as that.
We have out dated archic laws, from british times which govern the aquization of land by the govt, which are just not in tune with time.
State govts are literraly grabbing land under the cover of that archic section.
THIS IS WHAT IS TERMED AS ' ROBBING PAUL TO PAY PETER'/

When so much anomlies/ faults are in the land aquization law,SO THE HEART burning , protests & suicides , & then the ugly politicians step in to make matters worse, & every thing comes to stand still , & everyone is a loser xcept the dirty politicians, who has no interest in anything xcept himself.
In singur case tata should have acted more 'GENTLEMANLY', rather than a mere shopkeper, asking CM of WB to fight for him.
If he would have wanted , he could have easily solved the matter with the farmers directly, & not black mailed the entire nation. This cry baby immage of TATA will not be forgotten by the general public & specially his share holders. thanks gaba jee for reading all this.May be we can differ on many counts , but this is what I KNOW.

Nodi ....k

TATA Motors- On ground zero............

Posted by : JAGDISH GABA

NODIK,I happened to go to ROHTAK in MAY end was surprise to see all fertile lands around the city is acquired for industrilisation n was shocked,how much such lands are acquired n what will happen to food grain shortage?

Should Tatas pull out from West Bengal?

Posted by : ravipratap61

NO SIR...i differ.they r prob the best managed group for shareholders ,employees and people, that is why corus mgmt decided in TATA's favour and even employees sided with TATAs.yes they are businessmen and earning profit is their duty so what is wrong...see all tata cos bonus, div history...thanks

Should Tatas pull out from West Bengal?

Posted by : NODIK

What is the problem,'Tata, Nano,or Singur'. This has bcome the burning topic for weeks & could go on for weeks.Why cant TATA'S PUT A stop to this whole drama. Tata's are giving a wrong impression that it is difficult to industilize in our country & even more difficult in Bengal & if they will threaten to move out , noboy else will enter. This is the 'notion'Tata's are playing on, instead of trying to solve the issue.The problem is not Singur, the Nano, but the TATA Themselves.
Tata's basically are a by-product of Nehruvian Socialism. In those days things were different in 'land aquisations' cases, & people would gladly forgo their land holdings for sake of ushering socialism as the country was seeped in emotions after indipendence. So Tatas faced no problem. They prospered , partly on emotions of the people & partly on the Largsee of the Govt, thro LIC & other govt agencies.
Now the things are very different from those time, Its a market economy, & Tatas are aware of it & shouting, touting ' market economy' in all speres of Business, but when it is Land aquization in Singur & mkt orientated compensation, they are running to Chief minister for ' khuch karro'.Why C.M, & Why not negotiate with the farmers directly on whose land you are building the 'Nano'.Why do you want 'NANO'at the cost of poor farmer.Land Aquization under sectin 5, for public welfare can be considered with proper compensation, but same for Private & profit purposes shall have to be'BOUGHT' from the seller directly.A wake up call 'TATA SAHIB'.
'Tata Nagars' not that easy to come now.A little xtra effort is reqd.... others are waiting in the Q. 'Tu nahin aur sahi'. Thank you for reading this boring message but this is the truth.
Last heard Tata decides to suspend works at Singur. Another Tatas tantrum. What a hipocracy, on one side you are for free market , on the other hand you want free sops & subsidised lands to put your factories.No more 'JAMSHEDPURS' at the cost poor gullible farmers.

Should Tatas pull out from West Bengal?

Posted by : nadhi

Dear NODIK,

I share your views on TATA. TATA is like a tamarind tree under which nothing can grow and that includes the retail investors. They rare the worst manipulators. All the profit is going to an unlisted company owned by them. But what is going on in singur is a simple political game. Mamata dont want to lose the opportunity of waging a war with the leftists who grabbed the land around the industry. The centre is silently watching the game as it is the communists who are at the receiving end for a change. Nobody is fighting for the farmers. They are all fighting for the votes. Dirty game is going on and that benefits only the media.

regards

nadhi

Should Tatas pull out from West Bengal?

Posted by : NODIK

What is the problem,'Tata, Nano,or Singur'. This has bcome the burning topic for weeks & could go on for weeks.Why cant TATA'S PUT A stop to this whole drama. Tata's are giving a wrong impression that it is difficult to industilize in our country & even more difficult in Bengal & if they will threaten to move out , noboy else will enter. This is the 'notion'Tata's are playing on, instead of trying to solve the issue.The problem is not Singur, the Nano, but the TATA Themselves.
Tata's basically are a by-product of Nehruvian Socialism. In those days things were different in 'land aquisations' cases, & people would gladly forgo their land holdings for sake of ushering socialism as the country was seeped in emotions after indipendence. So Tatas faced no problem. They prospered , partly on emotions of the people & partly on the Largsee of the Govt, thro LIC & other govt agencies.
Now the things are very different from those time, Its a market economy, & Tatas are aware of it & shouting, touting ' market economy' in all speres of Business, but when it is Land aquization in Singur & mkt orientated compensation, they are running to Chief minister for ' khuch karro'.Why C.M, & Why not negotiate with the farmers directly on whose land you are building the 'Nano'.Why do you want 'NANO'at the cost of poor farmer.Land Aquization under sectin 5, for public welfare can be considered with proper compensation, but same for Private & profit purposes shall have to be'BOUGHT' from the seller directly.A wake up call 'TATA SAHIB'.
'Tata Nagars' not that easy to come now.A little xtra effort is reqd.... others are waiting in the Q. 'Tu nahin aur sahi'. Thank you for reading this boring message but this is the truth.
Last heard Tata decides to suspend works at Singur. Another Tatas tantrum. What a hipocracy, on one side you are for free market , on the other hand you want free sops & subsidised lands to put your factories.No more 'JAMSHEDPURS' at the cost poor gullible farmers.

KING Tata

Posted by : kamleshrut

Truth lies some where in between, probably.
1. Before Nano entry, land was having low value-sale as well as productivity.
2. Some non transparent dealings might have occured. So some one could sniff kick backs at the authority lvel.
3 ? Salim... from Indonesia's role?
4. Nano enters, price escalates of the near by region. Expectations rise by the nearby land owners.
5. But at the same previos price, the land is acquired for the ancillary unts, so the grumbling.
6. Now the politician wants their share of money and votes.
7. Whom to blame? ---State Govt-yes for policy and transparency issue.
Mamta-Yes. Had she been in the power, the story would have been different. Definitely not the Tata's. Who likes begging/ negotiating even after the agrrements being completed/ taking sides/ suffering physical abuses/ being labelled as looter/ risking lives of the staff/ ---

Now what?
Plan A: Tata continue. Mamta gets some money for --- and farmers. Some votes from the beneficieries. Buddhadev some relief with lesser political loss. Who will pay the extra money?Salim/ Ancillary units/ Tata or Bengal Govt?
Plan B: Tata leave for Pantanagar/Maharashtra/Gujarat--etc. Every state wants this gigantic opportunity for the development. Aquired land is given back to the farmers?? Now less fertile, price back to square one--minimal value, as no other industry will dare to enter the sector in near future. 100% los to Mamta, major loss to Buddhadev and 500 cr loss to Tata, supramajor loss to the ancillary auto units.

Lesson learnt: Be transparent. Let the farmers sell the land on their own from the beginning.No Govt interventions. No smell of kick backs/political possibilities. Let the auto untis be organised and negotiate the land in bulk from the day one to reduce price escalation to them/ their sister concerns. Rehabilitate the farmers well-most important task. Reap the benifits of the development.
Kamlesh

TATA Motors- On ground zero............

Posted by : NODIK

Why should such fertile land be aquired in the first place.
As you have described it clearly yourself in the message , which I am reproducing it here again. locational wise it may be good, but for putting a factory on such prductive land is a Sin.I am not talking politics , MAMATA, OR CPI, OR ANY ONE ELSE.I am just talking basic. Rattan Tata , knows the word 'production', whether it is food or NANO. How could he overlook the fact that land , where he is to put the factory is a highly productive land, forget the politicians , & the compensations. Either tata doesnt understand agricltue & the countrymen as a whole, or his managers are stupid who briefed him wrongly. ALL said & done Nano canot be given preference over such idiotic selection of land.
Fed by the river Hooghly, Singur lies in the most fertile part of the Gangetic Delta of Bengal. The land, claim opponents of the project, can support four crops a year and diverting it for industrial use will not only ruin the livelihood of those working on it but also impact food security at a time of rising food prices.

nodi