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07 Oct 2008 21:39

i see, Mr. HLN is running some paid service thats why keep saying posting his yahoo id. good luck to him,but you are right about beating the drum, i have also seen some one saying that 2 years back, hln was saying 7300 on sensex but sensex went 21200. he should find that sensex 7300 thread and may be he will get another chance of beating drum....

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : Guest

Hi fmcgbites... seems that Mr. HLN is the captain of the Ship with Many innocent investors onboard. His ship will sink to the bottom of blue see, even when there is no storm, just because of his wierd so called techincal analysis, and will take full toll on the innocent investors listening and subscribing to his paid services. He is always seem beating his own drum for predicting levels correct, which actually he predicts to be in month of January and gradually keeps movinf the timeframe as the market progresses. Somewhere in no mans land, his levels are reached in last quarter of year ( which are anyways supposed to come ), he will come out with his drum. God save those who are doomed by this person.

07 Oct 2008 21:38

Unless there are enough retail/MF buyers here in India to absorb full deliveries of FII at current market rates, weakness of the market will continue. Right, sentiment continus to be poor....

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Posted by : ank1977

It looks like that nifty will touch 3150-3000 level, if it breaks 3400 level. Smart pullback rally is on the card at any time from now. For upside nifty has to cross 3750-3900 level. Sensex has a very good support at 11500-11300. If it breaks 11300 level, it can go down to 10300-9800 level. The sentiment has been not so good bcoz of USA financial crisis. There is nothing wrong with India.

07 Oct 2008 21:35

Scottish... n Irish are different people than da Britz .... Irish people are hard working n good people..... though da bank may b British......

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Posted by : sp.palo

treatment for hiccups... Hmmmm

Tell them to start a new East India company here. We will change their hiccups into chronic TB cough. I hate those UK people. Let them get lost of their own.

shakti

07 Oct 2008 21:34

dear BSR,

Most of the FIIs havent made any money in Indian markets except those who entered some 4 or 5 years back.

One should keep in mind that, many hedge funds who entered in the last fiscal might have lost more money than the retail lot. In fact retail investors are sitting on notional losses where as many FIIs have realized the losses by selling stocks at very low levels compared to their buying price.

regards

...

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Posted by : BullSheetRules

I agree with you pkk07!

That is a BS myth that FIIs make money! :)

Just put yourself in the FIIs`s shoes and feel the LIQUIDITY pressures. :)

Only thing is that those FIIs manage to do ther hedging properly.

In this GAME of BILLION of dollars, removing those Billion of dollars without making any LOSS would sound Strange to me!

For any FRESH investments, I would say instead of waiting for 3400, wait for the time when FIIs start SELLing at dirt cheap prices! 3400 should provide those wonderful opportunities in current situations!

Those FIIs would not like to sell Index stocks heavily as those FIIs would like to maintain the CONTROL on Indian market in longer run!

If those BS FIIs REALLY wish to make an exit, let them do at very, dirt cheap prices! :)

By SELLing Billions of dollars in millions, I am unable to understand how someone can make money! Only thing is that they use lot of leveraged money. For this, one need to understand how much money actually is being used! :)

That is why, GAME has turned interesting today! :)

Let us hope for the best! Those Big PLAYers continue to PLAY Sensible GAMES!

Gud luk & happy investing! :)

07 Oct 2008 21:28

Dear Kalidas
I would like to congratulate you on the excellent guidance & vision you have provided to the boarders of MMB in the last one year.I have always believed full credit should be given where it is due and MMB has greatly benefitted by your sterling efforts.
May the good work continue.
regards
wbuffett001...

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SENSEX to rally by 2400 pts in 7 days

Posted by : Kalidas

for wbuffet001

I can not believe it. It is hyped up figure. Anyway, let us leave it at that.

Kalidas, Hong kong
6-10-2008

07 Oct 2008 21:26

Oh ok..I thought it in different way, anyway if your waiting horizon it will all get recovered...Best of luck......

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Posted by : hsnmf

Thanks for your concern.Most losses in ULIP scheme of ICICI Prudential Life Insurance and Reliance Golden Year Plan. The other losses are in Mutual Funds.

07 Oct 2008 21:20

I agree with you pkk07!

That is a BS myth that FIIs make money! :)

Just put yourself in the FIIs`s shoes and feel the LIQUIDITY pressures. :)

Only thing is that those FIIs manage to do ther hedging properly.

In this GAME of BILLION of dollars, removing those Billion of dollars without making any LOSS would sound Strange to me!

For any FRESH investments, I would say instead of waiting for 3400, wait for the time when FIIs start SELLing at dirt cheap prices! 3400 should provide those wonderful opportunities in current situations!

Those FIIs would not like to sell Index stocks heavily as those FIIs would like to maintain the CONTROL on Indian market in longer run!

If those BS FIIs REALLY wish to make an exit, let them do at very, dirt cheap prices! :)

By SELLing Billions of dollars in millions, I am unable to understand how someone can make money! Only thing is that they use lot of leveraged money. For this, one need to understand how much money actually is being used! :)

That is why, GAME has turned interesting today! :)

Let us hope for the best! Those Big PLAYers continue to PLAY Sensible GAMES!

Gud luk & happy investing! :)...

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Posted by : pkk07

I think it is a myth that FIIs make money. The size of their investments is so big that they can not pull out all their money out quickly when the times look bad.

Another thing: I was looking at a poll in moneycontrol asking people when would they start buying - at 3600, 3500 or 3400? Majority are waiting for 3400. That gives me the clue that we will not go there. Not at least now.

07 Oct 2008 21:18

Technical analyst C.J.Mathews Sankarathil,MBA told the media that the fall of market will end by October last.He added that the fall will be limited to 11000 levels.He denied the arguments of falling markets to 10000 levels. He is positive on Indian Market and see an uptrend from November 2008....
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Posted by : MMB Messenger

Dear Boarders,Do let us know your views and opinions on the poll.-MMB Messenger

07 Oct 2008 21:10

Dear HLN,
This is my first post to you ever.
I have read many of your posts so far.What you have predicted so many months back has come exactly true today. You definitely deserve utmost praise for this prediction.Please accept my heartfelt congratulations. I can say you know your TA and EWT theory quite well.I suggest you to predict only indices levels in future with very very broad time indications ( + or - three to six months )and not commit on the exact time frame which is most difficult to predict as everyone knows.However even this cannot deflect anything away from the credit you richly deserve. I always feel we have to give credit where it is due and between you & Kalidas , MMB has been served well in the last one year.
Coming to the future , please keep up the good work and give us your broad view on when you expect the U turn in the markets.
Personally I have been investing continously since Oct / Nov 2007 and continue to buy even now. By nature and reasoning , I am a very LT investor who normally holds shares for 3 + years at the minimum.
To be frank I have managed to get a tremendous CAGR in the last ten years ( way way out of normal expectations) by asset swapping across asset classes and sectoral rotations inside the stock markets , long term front running in FII investible sectors.Even as a LT investor , I feel that picking shares at lower index levels can be definitely helpful as this will increase the volume of purchase as well giving a better of margin of safety in price.
I still believe sensex 22000 levels are possible in second half of 2009 and even started a thread to that effect sometime back.Your take will be useful.
regards,
wbuffett001...

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Posted by : hindlevernet

Hi boarders,

I am very thankful to you for all your messages compimenting
for accurate precition of Nifty hitting 3600.

I am also very grareful to you for making this thread so lively
and so active.

1. 108 prudent boarders tracking it
2. More than 2000 messages posted every month
3. Most active thread of MMB.

THANKS A MILLION BOARDERS, AGAIN AND AGAIN

07 Oct 2008 21:08

It looks like that nifty will touch 3150-3000 level, if it breaks 3400 level. Smart pullback rally is on the card at any time from now. For upside nifty has to cross 3750-3900 level. Sensex has a very good support at 11500-11300. If it breaks 11300 level, it can go down to 10300-9800 level. The sentiment has been not so good bcoz of USA financial crisis. There is nothing wrong with India....

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Posted by : greedy_one

OOPS!NOW WILL NIFTY HIT 3300 AND SENSEX TOUCH 10500?

07 Oct 2008 21:07

treatment for hiccups... Hmmmm

Tell them to start a new East India company here. We will change their hiccups into chronic TB cough. I hate those UK people. Let them get lost of their own.

shakti
...

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Posted by : pkjattking

I m hearing Royal bank of Scotland is having hiccups now.... suggest them a treatment....

07 Oct 2008 21:05

I think it is a myth that FIIs make money. The size of their investments is so big that they can not pull out all their money out quickly when the times look bad.

Another thing: I was looking at a poll in moneycontrol asking people when would they start buying - at 3600, 3500 or 3400? Majority are waiting for 3400. That gives me the clue that we will not go there. Not at least now....

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Posted by : BullSheetRules

:)

Reading your views sounds like BEARS have given a good HUG to you! :) :)

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i had friend who was a dealer, he always said, when they buy even if the whole markets sits out to sell, they absorb it and when they sell, its the same, it bleeds every DII, HNI and every other person,
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Sounds like Horror Lines from that gafla movie! :) :)

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FII`s only look for fundamentals,
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If FIIs REALLY care about FUNDAMENTALS, then nothing to worry! :)

Btw, Those FIIs themselves do not have any fudnamentals. Strange that they look for fundamentals! :) :)

FIIs only look for making Money ! Those FIIs hardly care what is the name of counter! For them, that is just a counter to make money! :)

90% of traders in that losers list also include many FIIs! :) :)

Anyway, FIIs are just MONEY Hungry. :)

Just for information: Even an NRI or politicians kins can OPEN an account in the name of FIIs! :) So you will never get to know who those FIIs actually are! :)

FIIs is just some loose term given to those who are using the money from outside to bring into India! : ) :)

If that drop from Relianace from 2500 to 1700 is called capitualtion due to some FUNDAMENTAL changes, then I am surprise at the very meaning of that capitulation! :)

Probably, you have not understood REAL capitulation! Real capitulation happened when Lehman went BURST along with other financial companies! :) :)

Indian companies as of now appear to be exist! I hope in the name of those Bears HUGS, you would not start saying that all Indian companies in the market are going for a TOSS! :)

Btw, here is the official definition
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In the stock market, capitulation is associated with `giving up` any previous gains in stock price as investors sell equities in an effort to get out of the market and into less risky investments. True capitulation involves extremely high volume and sharp declines. It usually is indicated by panic selling.
Investopedia Says... After capitulation selling, it is thought that there are great bargains to be had. The belief is that everyone who wants to get out of a stock, for any reason (including forced selling due to margin calls), has sold. The price should then, theoretically, reverse or bounce off the lows. In other words, some investors believe that true capitulation is the sign of a bottom.
--

Even those FIIs suffer from that capitulation phase and make losses in the GAME! :) Let us use their billions of dollars to make Money! They want to DISTRIBUTE that for free! :) :)

Have fun!

Gud luk & happy investing! :)

07 Oct 2008 21:01

An interesting article
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The Challenges of the New World Order


America is no longer up to shouldering the world’s crises. But who is going to take its place? Russia, Brazil, China and India are all rising, but they are also competing with Europe and the US for finite natural resources. Only a common future -- a `change through rapprochement` and not a `clash of futures` can carry us forward.

he Alfred Herrhausen Society, the international forum of Deutsche Bank, is organizing a new project entitled Foresight in order to analyze and compare the future visions of emerging and existing world powers. Through discussion and debate, it hopes to find elements for a common future. The inaugural event held in Moscow brought together participants from Brazil, China, Europe, Japan, India, Russia, the United States and other parts of the world to discuss Russia’s role in a multipolar world. Further symposia are planned in the United States after the presidential elections, Europe, Japan, India, China, and Latin America. These events will also include high-level participants from Africa, the Arab world, and the Asia Pacific countries. One of the main goals of this series is to see the world through the eyes of others, rather than through a purely Eastern or Western lens.

New alliances that set countries against one another will not be able to solve the challenges of the 21st century. New forms of international cooperation, consultation, and compromise will have to play a central role in a multipolar world. It is absurd that Italy belongs to the G-8, but not China or Brazil. And what sort of meaning can a global security council have when India, Brazil, and the European Union are left out, while France and Great Britain are permanent members?

Needed are new forms of international governance: in a world with diminishing resources and accelerating climate change, states might be tempted to pursue their own interests in order to gain short-term advantages. The challenge will be to devise a new international framework and an organized balance of interests. Only a common future -- `change through rapprochement` not a `clash of futures` -- can bring us further.

Certainly, the past ten years provide much cause for pessimism. In order for the next ten years to be a success, we will need to be fortified by a credible, if skeptical, optimism. ...

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Posted by : pkjattking

Personally I feel as I go around Usa and look around real estate values and compare it to rest of world.... I don`t see them over blown.... expect a few metro areas or in really rich neighborhoods .. so even if us government buys bad debt...with bailout money.. now and if things turn around I think they have pretty good chance of even making a profit on this bail money...... only if the money is used wisely of course.....

07 Oct 2008 20:52

OOPS!NOW WILL NIFTY HIT 3300 AND SENSEX TOUCH 10500?...

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Posted by : greedy_one

Now WILL NIFTY HIT 330 AND SENSEX TOUCH 10500?

07 Oct 2008 20:49

Now WILL NIFTY HIT 330 AND SENSEX TOUCH 10500?...

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Posted by : vtycoon

all guys n dupes hre..

listen

NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000 i will shave my BALD k...if u think dat NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000 den u guys sux...btta leave share market..u have no right 2 stay hre..

other indices r on dre 1 year low n india is outperformin its peer + uS MARkets...n again nifty will go 2 15000...n if it starts fallin frm dat level it ont touch NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000 .dis k,...so guys i sugest u betta don reply dese DUpe msg's n njoy..

JAI HINd !

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