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30 Aug 2008 22:03

Rn
YES
very intuitive always have been..why do you ask???...

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28th July

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

nightowl,

Earthquake jolts china.... have u been intutive from childhood?

30 Aug 2008 21:57

I feel so sad for the folks in bihari...pray that kanha will bring immediate respite to the folks there.. children crying and hungry adn cold and starved... helpless women being raped by local hoodlums.. why is god taking so long to open His eyes.. lets all pray for the folks suffering in Bihar.... all of u send a prayer for the people there.....

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28th July

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

nightowl,

Earthquake jolts china.... have u been intutive from childhood?

30 Aug 2008 21:55

nightowl,

Earthquake jolts china.... have u been intutive from childhood?...

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28th July

Posted by : nightowl

RN
have you studied the pattern???
somthing tells me we are heading for a major fall... what does your research show.... i caant really put my finger on it.. its just a gut feel... and when i get these feels im normally right.. though i hope im not... do get back to me..
oove
rits

30 Aug 2008 21:42

Diluted EPS

Diluted EPS is a company's EPS figure as calculated using fully diluted shares outstanding. It takes into account non-exercised stock options and convertible bonds, hence the number is fully diluted.

30.08.2008...

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< Enhance Stock Knowledge Skills >

Posted by : TrueCompanion

Return on Equity :
(net income divided by shareholders' equity) a measure of the net income that a firm is able to earn as a percent of stockholders' investment.

Return on Total Assets :
(net income divided by total net assets) a measure of the net income that a firm's management is able to earn with the firm's total assets.

30.08.2008

30 Aug 2008 21:42

sold in cash = delivery based selling...

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28th July

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

If put writers are true professional and tech enthusiasts then how is it that there is such a rush for 4300 PUTs when the nifty is churning bearish indications.. Who are these put writers.. i guess they are hedgers and not into any naked stakes here... they have sold royally in cash on Friday and hedged by writing puts??

30 Aug 2008 21:37

If put writers are true professional and tech enthusiasts then how is it that there is such a rush for 4300 PUTs when the nifty is churning bearish indications.. Who are these put writers.. i guess they are hedgers and not into any naked stakes here... they have sold royally in cash on Friday and hedged by writing puts??...

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28th July

Posted by : roameri

Well you don't insult. You call a spade a spade and its in good
humour.
The highest turnover is for PE4300-SEPT and its OI has also increased substantially. This indicates that the writers (@ average 128.76) expect to cash in if the NIFTY closes above 4300 on 25/09/2008. Hence shoud we conclude that the NIFTY will be above 4300 on 25/09/2008? But it oscillates between 4200 & 4400 so there could be a chance to go long @ 4250 or below and exit at 4350 or above .
Would you rate this prophesy Unlikely, Possible or Likely ?
j.

30 Aug 2008 21:31

Roameri,

Our NIFTY is bearish on two counts, one indicator called NIFTY TRIN is oversold at greater than 1, when it should have been actually overbought (at less than 0.6) with such a huge rally. Which means the rally was used for selling, which means no confidence markets can move up further. Second the ADX has actually ticked down by 1 point inspite of the rally. On account of these two indications and dismal dow cues i would very much suspect we could rally substantially on Monday. So what happens to the PUT writers, they will be disappointed and they will cover. LOL. I think US markets are closed for monday so no cues, and we (asian and european) will wait like nobrainers for dow cues again on Tuesday, so again on Tuesday our markets could be listless.. by which time the put writers would be low on their patience. Tuesday if crude does not rise substantially dow may have a healthy rise as dow is actually looking very bullish indication wise.. if crude does rise by a big tick then they could close with a smaller gain maybe.. then we open on Wednesday, the putwriters would write more puts 4300 bringing renewed optimism to put watchers like you..... so i would book profits in my short mininifty on Monday and go long on Monday close depending on intraday cues from Asia/europe and my own excel... Hope that answers somewhat.. lol. So going long at 4250 or below and exiting at 4350 is possible though not highly likely that we will go below 4250 coz we would be listless without dow... but if the bearish nifty TRIN divergence does play out then we have a chance to go long sub 4250... and exit at 4350 if crude behaves and dow closes high on account of its bullish indications as of ystday close.

What do you say to all this?...

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28th July

Posted by : roameri

Well you don't insult. You call a spade a spade and its in good
humour.
The highest turnover is for PE4300-SEPT and its OI has also increased substantially. This indicates that the writers (@ average 128.76) expect to cash in if the NIFTY closes above 4300 on 25/09/2008. Hence shoud we conclude that the NIFTY will be above 4300 on 25/09/2008? But it oscillates between 4200 & 4400 so there could be a chance to go long @ 4250 or below and exit at 4350 or above .
Would you rate this prophesy Unlikely, Possible or Likely ?
j.

30 Aug 2008 20:59

Well you don't insult. You call a spade a spade and its in good
humour.
The highest turnover is for PE4300-SEPT and its OI has also increased substantially. This indicates that the writers (@ average 128.76) expect to cash in if the NIFTY closes above 4300 on 25/09/2008. Hence shoud we conclude that the NIFTY will be above 4300 on 25/09/2008? But it oscillates between 4200 & 4400 so there could be a chance to go long @ 4250 or below and exit at 4350 or above .
Would you rate this prophesy Unlikely, Possible or Likely ?
j. ...

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28th July

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

Good hunches? LOL.. yes most technical indications are hunches.. .i will tell you that.. having theoretical knowledge of technicals is of no use...for instance Alex says when the bull power is rising, bear power is declining and the 13-day EMA is rising buy when the force index signals BUy.. so we capture only those force index signals which are preceeded by the three indications rising bull power, declining bear power and rising 13-day EMA...BUT with crude i notice in the last few days the bull power is rising and bear power too... i was wondering what kind of indication is that.. and realized these indications mean every rally will be sold into... and that means double profits going long and short for small gains... lovely indicators from Elder... the elder ray and force index.. his brain child...

BTW why do you say i am blunt.. am i really so blunt.. yes they told me that too.. but i dont think i hurt anyone do i?

About new hunches, let me check the excel... not yet updated with ystday's data.

30 Aug 2008 20:39

nightowl,

For some strange reason, inspite of the rally the ADX says SHORT the market. The ADX is so unique an indicator that it measures the spread and the momentum or the directional movement. Its not easily fooled by one day's volatility but three days in a row then it becomes a rag doll..Another bearish indication is the TRIN itself.. inspite of inspite of such an enormous rally the TRIN is oversold at 1.0... which means we sold into the rally.. what kind of selling?? shorts and profitbooking by medium term/shorterm players?? my guess is as good as yours here based on cash data.. but if you look at the FNO data you will get an idea of whether its shorts or delivery based... and FNO data by and large shows a small rise in OI which could mean shorts.... lets see.. the dow looks quite bullish so thats concering for shorters here... why bullish? Coz the bear power has declined and the ADX has ticked 4 points up and says go long...but their optimism could be shortlived coz CRUDE IS VERY VERY BULLISH.... now how to play? Can u decipher the complex set of indications?/ lol lol.. give me ur view... i will put mine......

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28th July

Posted by : nightowl

both,
rn the market or rather the individual stock movement.. has been too rapid a rise..its just instictive... somthing not quite right.. its like as though its in a hurry to do what it has too and then go down.. i cant really put my finger on it... totally instinctive... normally i am right when i get these major feels... SOMTHING is going to happen.... dont know what... i just dont know what..
rits

30 Aug 2008 20:21

novice,
thats what i mean... it looks like its in a hurry to reach somwhere..the market i mean... i do sense an impending fall... i do hope i am wrong.. but stock movement is suggestive of an impending fall this coming week.. i agree with you, since crude is unlikely to go to 110(read- hurricane season is on and two more hurricanes in the making are following Gaustav)... good luck novice...
regards
Dr. NO ( as some call me ) and rits as otheres... both will do.....

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28th July

Posted by : novice1000

hi maam,

I wont be surprised to see a decent( bulls pls spare me) fall in the markets in the month of September 2008.

There are only two things that can prevent a fall.

1)Crude price coming down to below 110 US $ per barrel.

2)SEBI relaxing the the ban on p-notes.

Either of these things prevent a fall in markets.

But p-notes issue will be reviewed by SEBI only after 6 weeks.

So unless crude price comes down to below 110 levels... fall seems to be certain.

But before the fall happens, sensex may see an upside of 400 points.

regards

30 Aug 2008 20:16

hind lever,
you know how highly i think of your ta,s
just for me, and just this one time.... check this out... im getting a bad feel for the following week... somthing not right... theres a stench coming and i cant locate the source... somthings goin g to give... i THINK, and i sincerely hope i am wrong..
regards...

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WILL NIFTY HIT 3600 & SENSEX TOUCH 12000

Posted by : hindlevernet

Dear joetom,

It is a sheer honour to interact with you.
When Nifty was making new highs in January,
I boldly intiated the thread above which is
stil going strong. Since the level of 6357
Nifty had seen low of 3790 in the monnth of
July which is just 5% above my predicted level.

As far as your view of market is concered
( Your observation of Higher Tops and Higher
Bottoms ) I am of the view that it will be
a little pre-mature to declare that it is
start of Fresh Bull Run. My reason for this
statement is that when a new bull phase does
start after long bear market, Index rises
very fast and cash buying along with futures
intensified considerably. Without significant
cash buying, we cannot persume that New bull
run has started. You may notice that although
Nifty may be rising but underlying scrips are
not rising in tendem which means rally is mainly
driven by short covering and intra-day trading.

On the other hand when Nifty falls significantly
on any one day, there is a huge liquidation of
cash shares which signifies that slide in not
mainly due to Fresh Short Positions in Nifty.

In addition to this, I have a strong feeling
that 3790 is not the bottom for Nifty. Index
must fall by at least 41% from its orthodox
top made by Nifty in October which was 6012.
I am of the view that Nifty has to slip below
3600 before market finally bottoms out. But
once the bottom is firmly made, then

I CAN ASSURE YOU BEYOND DOUBT THAT IT WILL NOT
FALL BELOW THAT LEVEL IN OUR ENTIRE LIFE-TIME.

Thanks a million.

For closer interaction and discussion about it,
I give my yahoo ID which is: mittalsecurities

30 Aug 2008 20:13

hi maam,

I wont be surprised to see a decent( bulls pls spare me) fall in the markets in the month of September 2008.

There are only two things that can prevent a fall.

1)Crude price coming down to below 110 US $ per barrel.

2)SEBI relaxing the the ban on p-notes.

Either of these things prevent a fall in markets.

But p-notes issue will be reviewed by SEBI only after 6 weeks.

So unless crude price comes down to below 110 levels... fall seems to be certain.

But before the fall happens, sensex may see an upside of 400 points.

regards...

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28th July

Posted by : nightowl

RN
have you studied the pattern???
somthing tells me we are heading for a major fall... what does your research show.... i caant really put my finger on it.. its just a gut feel... and when i get these feels im normally right.. though i hope im not... do get back to me..
oove
rits

30 Aug 2008 20:11

jai shree krishan...
somthing not right AA... SOMTHINGS NOT RIGHT... check your sources again... mine is a gut feel... totallt instinctive...
regards...

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10....9....8....Countdown on for.CRUCIAL

Posted by : amarakbar

Dear Friends,

My view based on my limited knowledge and experience of markets is,

We are at HISTORIC BREAKOUT probability point for - Stock market in INDIA -
We have seen in last five years fantastic returns on investment observed in many stocks in such a short timespan of 5 to 8 years- we had not even imagined such returns in our whole trading and investing life-

After such bull runs come period of sideways and down moves where stocks change hands -

we are in such down move since last 8 months Jan2008 being month of all time high top - how long this down move will last and when new upward breakout will happen is the most important issue in many minds today.

Technical view-
We are much below YEARLY open of year 2008 thus without doubt in a correction mode / sideways/ down move at present.
Fresh buying is just too scary if yearly outlook is considered.

Let us zoom in - quarterly outlook-
2008 First quarter Jan- Mar 08 was bearish candle
second quarter Apr - Jun 08 was also bearish candle
BUT July - Sep 08 is DEFINITELY BULLISH - we are above open of July 08 in many stocks thus it says - POSSIBILITY of FRESH UPMOVE is VERY MUCH THERE in the offing -
As a chartist , wait for sep 08 close for confirmation is best strategy at present.
If July- Sep 08 is doji with lower leg then a GOOD probability of OCT - DEC 08 Bullish candle resulting into quarterly morning star pattern will arise .

Zoom in further into monthly charts-
Chechout simple 3 month moving average of most leading stocks and you will find that for Sep 08 a bull candle above 3 month simple moving average showing bullish breakout is very EASY as 3 month moving average is very VULNERABLE / POISED for yielding in favour of bulls.

Weekly and daily chart suggest such breakout is JUST AROUND THE CORNER and countdown is already on for probable MOTHER OF ALL BULL RUNS,
Targets RIL 4500
Relcap 5000
RPL 480
RNRL 350
and many more for many other stocks.

Prepare yourselves for new top.

Experience says Operators are long , Morons are short.


Disclaimer-
I hold RNRL and RPL and plan to buy more any stock i like for investment- do your own homework before taking any decision - these are pure personal views - MANY FRIENDS KNOW their MEANING-

warm regards
Vipul Lashkari
This message is my ADVANCE return gift to you all friends and wellwishers as today-
Shitla saptami - vad saptami of shravan is my BIRTHDAY .
Born on a day before LORD Krishna- Jai Shree Krishna- Pranam to Elder friends- Love to younger friends- Jaadu ki zappi to all-
Wish you all profits and peace of mind.

30 Aug 2008 20:05

both,
rn the market or rather the individual stock movement.. has been too rapid a rise..its just instictive... somthing not quite right.. its like as though its in a hurry to do what it has too and then go down.. i cant really put my finger on it... totally instinctive... normally i am right when i get these major feels... SOMTHING is going to happen.... dont know what... i just dont know what..
rits...

In reply to:

28th July

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

oops is that so Nightowl.. i better check my nifty rightaway then.. i have a short position though.. but why u feel that way is it intutive or is it market movement.. is it a hunch or ticker tape reading? Let me update my excel then straight away.

30 Aug 2008 20:02

Weak reports on income & spending, lower that expected results from Dell and concern over tropical storm 'Gustav' pulled down Wall street indicies.
Dow Jones Industrial Average -171.22 points (-1.5%), S&P 500 index -17.84 points (-1.4%) and Nasdaq Composite Index -44.12 points(-1.8%).
The after effects may reflect on our market on 1st Sept, as our trading now-a-days focused more on US markets....

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