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13 Oct 2008 23:35

If NIFTY crosses 3750 Book profits on 3500 CALL. If you are a more risk taker then you can wait one more day to book profits...

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Posted by : rashmi26

dear vam ,
i understand ur point but i hav one open position of 3500 call.shud i square it off first thing in the morning and then take positions as directed by u.pl advise .thanx a lot.
regds rashmi

13 Oct 2008 23:30

Dear Rashmi,

That means you did not squared off the 3500 CALL, very good move, tomorrow will be our strongest day I beleive , we might be touching 3750 by tomorrow, so don`t sell your CALL in a hurry, It will be 350 at the end of the day, or even more, we can see the movements of DOW futures and then decide to do a square off.

If you book profits, wait for one more day , and you could build a PUT backspread Method at 3800 or 3850 That would give you the best returns...

Let me know if you have any queries....

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Posted by : rashmi26

dear vam ,
i understand ur point but i hav one open position of 3500 call.shud i square it off first thing in the morning and then take positions as directed by u.pl advise .thanx a lot.
regds rashmi

13 Oct 2008 23:17


Financial crisis is `MAN - MADE catastrophe`, says World Bank chief

The global financial crisis is a "man-made catastrophe", according to Robert Zoellick, the president of the World Bank.

Speaking after the Bank`s policy-making committee met to discuss the downturn, Mr Zoellick warned that populations around the world will respond with anger and fear.

"Those natural reactions will spread around the world as the impact spreads," Mr Zoellick said. "We need to take them seriously."

Mr Zoellick said that rules governing the international system must be redrawn in order to bring the world back from disaster.

"This has been a manmade catastrophe and responses to overcome it lie in all our hands," he said.

"We need to modernise multilateralism for a new global economy. We need concerted action now to ... build a better system for the future."

After meeting with officials from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to discuss the impact of the crisis on the aid given from rich countries to developing states, Mr Zoellick emphasised the threat faced by the world`s most vulnerable.

"For the poor, the costs of the crisis could be lifelong," he said. "The poorest and must vulnerable groups risk the most serious – and in some cases permanent damage."

He said that the bank and the IMF must strive to ensure that as governments focus their attention to domestic economic issues, they do not drop their commitments to give aid to poor countries.

"Aid flows must be maintained," he said. "Today`s meeting of ministers was unanimous in that regard."

Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the head of the IMF, said that developing countries are already suffering terribly under rising food and energy prices, and that "the financial crisis adds a crisis to a crisis."

"We should not forget this other crisis," Mr Strauss-Kahn added.

Their comments came as George Soros, the billionaire investor, said that the crisis spelt the end for the US-led free market economic system, which he said had dominated the world since the deregulatory policies of Ronald Reagan, supported by Margaret Thatcher in Britain.

"This belief became the dominant creed. And this, then, led to the globalisation of markets, the deregulation of markets and the increased use of leverage and all the financial engineering," Mr Soros said in a television interview.

"This whole enormous construct is built on false conceptions," he added. "You can go a very long way. But in the end, reality rears its ugly head and that`s what happened now."

"Globalisation, America as the centre of the globalised financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out. It does mean a very serious adjustment for America."

Mr Soros criticised the US Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson, whom he accused of having stuck too rigidly to "market fundamentalist ideology".

He said Mr Paulson should not have allowed the collapse of Lehman Brothers bank. "That`s what actually kind of unleashed the current phase of meltdown," he said.

Mr Soros`s comments chimed with those of the former Harvard University economist Jeffrey Sachs, who is now a special adviser to the UN Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon.

"The age of Reaganism is over," Mr Sachs said in a separate television interview. "The no-regulation, low-taxes philosophy has broken the back of our economy.

"We now have to get serious about reconstructing normal government that pays its way and a normal financial sector that`s properly regulated."

By Jon Swaine
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Posted by : marketman

We have been listening indian growth stories for few years.... our financial markets too witnessed the same trend till recently.... our policy makers repeatedly assuring the investors about the strongness of indian economy.... they are saying india is immune to world financial crisis....

But indian financial markets too collapsing along with the global cues.... almost all investors and many corporates are already in deep troubles.... few are doubting at some pvt sector banks for their suspicious behaviour....

We are also part of globe,india is not from any other planet.... this common logic is ignored by our policy makers and talking nonsenses on daily basis to confuse/mislead the indian investors aswell as indian public....

Atleast the chiefs of global economy taking few steps to control the situation,we havnot seen any types of mesures or useful decisions so far in india.... already stock markets fell more than 50% from their peaks within few months.... banks are struggling for survival,many corporates facing liquidty problem,few companies at the threshold of removing employees from payrolls,experts epecting subprime type issues may occur soon in india too.... interestingly indian rupee is weaken much within short span of time....

By seeing/experiencing all these ill effects,even patriotic indians doubting about the situation of economy in the country.... few people asking questions like Is indian economy too collapsing?!

13 Oct 2008 23:17

dear vam ,
i understand ur point but i hav one open position of 3500 call.shud i square it off first thing in the morning and then take positions as directed by u.pl advise .thanx a lot.
regds rashmi...

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Posted by : vam_aru

Dear Rashmi

We are expecting to gap up tomorrow atleast i expect 125 points, ie 3630 at open so you can look to sell 3550 CAll at 280 rs, and then buy 3650 at around 170 or 180, remember when you sell CALL the Nifty has to come down so you should not book profits in the BUY call, The key for this strategy is that NIFTY has to fall and should give you a profit in sold call, and then move up to give profits in buy call.

If you have a bearish out look then you could do the same in PUTs, if we gap up around 125 points , at 3630 , SELL 3750 PUT at around 180, and BUY 3650 at around 120.

In this strategy whatever the SELL positions you should be square off at 40 to 50 rs, so that your BUY position is free, and then the market should move up or down in your BUY direction.

If the Nifty Keep on goes to the same direction as your BUY then you will not be making any significant profit , only some premium amount will be your profit, or depend on the nifty spot you might lose little amount.

13 Oct 2008 23:05

Krugman surprises with Nobel win for economics

LOS ANGELES -- Against the backdrop of global financial turmoil and the highly charged U.S. presidential election, the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences tapped into both issues with its surprise decision Monday to award a Nobel prize in economics to Paul Krugman, a Princeton University scholar and vocal critic of conservative policies.

Krugman, an op-ed columnist for the New York Times since 1999, was cited for his theories on how urbanization can affect trade patterns. It was the last of the six Nobels awarded this year.
Combining economies of scale with lower transportation costs, according to Krugman`s research, helps to explain why larger shares of the world`s population live in cities and why economic activity is concentrated in metropolitan areas. He also has proven that migration to cities is increasing as large-scale production expands, wages rise and a wider array of goods become available.

Krugman has been developing his theory since 1979, when he first tried to explain how post-World War II trade patterns contradicted the economic theory of the day. He revisited his ideas in 1991, when he determined that trade is possible, but can be obstructed due to transit costs. Meanwhile, he held that labor often is more likely to be attracted to the centers of activity.

Krugman`s prize, for which he`ll collect $1.4 million in cash, comes just weeks before the U.S. elects a new president.
As the campaign has heated up, so has Krugman`s Times column, for which he is best known by the American public. Krugman has become more vociferous not only in his criticism of President Bush`s policies, but also those of Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain.

Krugman has been especially critical of McCain`s handling of the recently passed financial-rescue legislation in Congress, calling the Arizona lawmaker "frightening."

"We`ve known for a long time, of course, that Mr. McCain doesn`t know much about economics -- he`s said so himself, although he`s also denied having said it," Krugman wrote in a recent column. "That wouldn`t matter much if he had good taste in advisers -- but he doesn`t."

By contrast, Krugman`s writing offers more praise for McCain`s opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

"About Mr. Obama: it`s a shame that he didn`t show more leadership in the debate over the bailout bill, choosing instead to leave the issue in the hands of Congressional Democrats, especially [Sen.] Chris Dodd and [Rep.] Barney Frank," Krugman wrote. "But both Mr. Obama and the Congressional Democrats are surrounded by very knowledgeable, clear-headed advisers, with experienced crisis managers like Paul Volcker and Robert Rubin always close at hand."
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Posted by : sambala

Worldwide crisis plans face acid test in Asian markets

13 Oct 2008 23:03

Dear Rashmi

We are expecting to gap up tomorrow atleast i expect 125 points, ie 3630 at open so you can look to sell 3550 CAll at 280 rs, and then buy 3650 at around 170 or 180, remember when you sell CALL the Nifty has to come down so you should not book profits in the BUY call, The key for this strategy is that NIFTY has to fall and should give you a profit in sold call, and then move up to give profits in buy call.

If you have a bearish out look then you could do the same in PUTs, if we gap up around 125 points , at 3630 , SELL 3750 PUT at around 180, and BUY 3650 at around 120.

In this strategy whatever the SELL positions you should be square off at 40 to 50 rs, so that your BUY position is free, and then the market should move up or down in your BUY direction.

If the Nifty Keep on goes to the same direction as your BUY then you will not be making any significant profit , only some premium amount will be your profit, or depend on the nifty spot you might lose little amount....

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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!

Posted by : rashmi26

dear vam,
u are just wonderful.if the market goes up tomorrow then can i sell 3450 call at 215 and buy 3550 call at158.whn will it be profitable
regds rashmi

13 Oct 2008 22:52

RAMGE , Ramjee, callhan etc etc
are just TP on this board. Mody only warned both of us because I had played smartly this time!!!!!


If Both of us would have lost our ID, I was prepared.!!!!!!!!
however, RN should have Red-Flegged by Mody looking to her postings words like donkey joker etc.

Any way,

I will wait again for draining them in my track!!!!!!!...

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Posted by : MamaShree

how many months u will take 2 read that? then till that time ramge bhai ka kya hoga?

13 Oct 2008 20:51

Ramji, RAMGE, Callhan and many more Ids are of One person!!!!!! I hope moderators will put this IDS on TEST..........

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Posted by : MamaShree

how many months u will take 2 read that? then till that time ramge bhai ka kya hoga?

13 Oct 2008 19:24

INDIAN rupee fast depreciating...banks not giving easy loans....
real estate in deep trouble....icici bk stopped giving easy loan....
and gold rising...not good times ahead....

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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!

Posted by : marketman

We have been listening indian growth stories for few years.... our financial markets too witnessed the same trend till recently.... our policy makers repeatedly assuring the investors about the strongness of indian economy.... they are saying india is immune to world financial crisis....

But indian financial markets too collapsing along with the global cues.... almost all investors and many corporates are already in deep troubles.... few are doubting at some pvt sector banks for their suspicious behaviour....

We are also part of globe,india is not from any other planet.... this common logic is ignored by our policy makers and talking nonsenses on daily basis to confuse/mislead the indian investors aswell as indian public....

Atleast the chiefs of global economy taking few steps to control the situation,we havnot seen any types of mesures or useful decisions so far in india.... already stock markets fell more than 50% from their peaks within few months.... banks are struggling for survival,many corporates facing liquidty problem,few companies at the threshold of removing employees from payrolls,experts epecting subprime type issues may occur soon in india too.... interestingly indian rupee is weaken much within short span of time....

By seeing/experiencing all these ill effects,even patriotic indians doubting about the situation of economy in the country.... few people asking questions like Is indian economy too collapsing?!

13 Oct 2008 18:33

dear vam,
u are just wonderful.if the market goes up tomorrow then can i sell 3450 call at 215 and buy 3550 call at158.whn will it be profitable
regds rashmi...

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Posted by : vam_aru

Dear Mohan I have taken some intraday risk, ICICI bank 440 PA, I took at 30 and sold at 43, made around 2.2 K.

I can suggest one strategy if you have margin money with you..

You can sell NIFTY 3700 PE at 250 rs, and BUY 3600 PE at 180 rs, so net net you will pocket 70 rs, and if NIFTY goes above 3700 , square off 3700 PE at around 40 or 50 rs. Then your 3600 PE is entirely Free for you... and you can leave that till 29 oct.

You can also do the same with Call also.. with the different strike rate SELL 3350 CE and BUY 3450 CE...

This way you will only be having margin money req. ( the trick is that you should only square off your sell positions when they are in profit.. Don`t square off your BUY positions )

13 Oct 2008 17:40

how many months u will take 2 read that? then till that time ramge bhai ka kya hoga?...

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

Why dont u compose a second manusmriti and read it out to peahens?

13 Oct 2008 17:12

Why dont u compose a second manusmriti and read it out to peahens?...

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Posted by : MamaShree

Radhika ben,
no problem, as u wish, u can have multiple men,he he he, par ramge bhai ka bhi khyal rakhiyo 4 change. u r reading my rubbish posts an telling lies that u r not reading my post.this a typical attitude of older women.
yah, i also believe in minding my own business ben, but what can i do, i learnt from u this bad habit of poking my nose every where. if u correct urself, i will also. unless urself change, u can`t change the world. haina radhikaben. y dating site? mmb hai na. many r inspired by u an ramgebhai. tik.tik.

13 Oct 2008 16:58

Skotak knows i dont know FA adn long back i dint even know TA and skotak knows pranky does not know TA... so he simply added a big tracking list to our nicks to show that we dumbos dont know anything inspite of our trackesr.. some trick for sure. .. i feel so...

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

More than 3/4 of boarders tracking me and pranky are alternate ids of skotak.

He wants to show no matter what others may havee he is the biggest..

He cannot claim to be the greatest in the land of the Lilliputs so he made us all great and gave us lots of trackers and now wants to show where he stands...

Keep going.

13 Oct 2008 16:49

More than 3/4 of boarders tracking me and pranky are alternate ids of skotak.

He wants to show no matter what others may havee he is the biggest..

He cannot claim to be the greatest in the land of the Lilliputs so he made us all great and gave us lots of trackers and now wants to show where he stands...

Keep going....

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Posted by : MamaShree

Radhika Ben,
U chanted my name, i am here.

yah, yah. how can every1 understand big talk of world & economy. only when some1 like ramge bhai write so romantically wowji,luv,honey, then it passes thru head.haina radhika ben? aaj kal aapka page blank raheta hai radhika ben. so sad na? y not relearn TA from DUstocks. he is selling modules on mmb. buy them sothat u can spend more an more time on mmb to talk to men.

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