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Rouravam is the narakam reserved for those who commit perjury. Perjury is of two types-suppressio veri (holding back the truth) and suggestio falsi (furnishing false information). Liars, habitual and occasional, and prevaricators of all hues, are also destined for Rouravam.One who destroys the unborn child, those who obliterate villages and those who kill cows, are all sent to ROdha narakam, where people suffocate, unable to breathe.
Sookaram is the Hell reserved for those who kill brAhmanAs, those who steal gold and those who imbibe forbidden liquors. Not only these people, but their associates too are awarded a spell in this narakam. Though stealing anything is bad, yet filching gold or ornaments made of it ("Svarna sthEyam") is supposed to be heinous.
Those who kill Kings, merchants or royal messengers, those engaging in indecent behaviour with the GurupatnI or sister-in-law, are sent to narakAs called TAla and TaptakuNdam (a pit with boiling water).
TaptalOha is the destination of those who sell horses (one would have thought this to be an innocuous occupation!), prison guards and those abandoning devotees.
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radhika_nandlal
We have not seen it. Nor have we experienced it. Yet, the very word is enough to strike deadly fear in our hearts. There is not a single soul who doesn`t dread the fires of hell. We are told that sinners are invariably sent there to undergo just punishment, which cleanses them of the cloying effect of misdeeds. The GAruda PurANa lists out the varied types of torture and suffering people undergo in Narakam, according to the type and quantum of their transgressions. Just a casual perusal of the relevant chapter of this purana is enough to make us toe the righteous path and cure us of the proclivity for misdeeds. To mention but one, it is reported that people having a penchant for abandoning their own lawfully-wedded spouses and consorting with others`, when they pass from this world, are made to embrace red-hot copper statues of their illegal companions. Says Sri Kalian-
The minions of the Lord of Hell are absolutely without the finer feelings: their speech is steeped in invective and their actions bereft of mercy or compassion, says Sri Thirumangai Mannan-"kadunsolAr kadiAr naman tamar". We have heard too of the cruel punishment ANi MAndavya, a Rishi, was awarded in Hell for having disfigured a dragonfly, when he was three or four year old-he was impaled on a spear. From all accounts, it would appear that the penitentiaries of earth are places of rest, relaxation and pleasurable pursuits, compared to the rigours of the Purgatory.
Dreadful as they are, we are yet curious to know about these accursed worlds, where only the offenders are taken, to work-off their sins by undergoing exemplary retribution. As to their location, Sri Vishnu Purana places them below this earth and oceans. The same Purana lists the various types of Hell and the sins of commission and omission, which provide a free passage to offenders to these worlds of terror and torment. Here are a few:
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radhika_nandlal
You are misinformed.
Islamic is the fast growing religion in Africa, in Asia, in America in Europe. Please don`t attribute this growth of religion to --forcible conversion--.
Conversion implies the use of force and believe me there is nobody holding a gun to the head of hundreds of thousands of people who convert in progressive soceities like America or Europe. People convert out of their own will and they do because realize that Islam is the true religion.
A person can convert to Islam by proclaiming the --Shahadah--. Its a proclamation that --I believe that there is no God but Allah and Prophet muhammad (pbuh) is the messenger of Allah.
Thats about it - no ritual fire, no holy water , no nothing.
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Posted by : radhika_nandlal
ROTG,
I have yet to answer some of ur questions which i will do shortly.
You said Islam does not believe in conversion but we hear of mass conversion to Islam in Africa and Europe... whats the reason for this. Would u know? How do they convert? Is there some ceremony like christians have baptizing... In Hinduism there is no ceremony and no conversion... just curious thats all.
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RN
You have an excpetion here :-) I have seen hell and experienced it...lol... It is here and now! Thats the only way to not accumulate karma :-)...
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Posted by : radhika_nandlal
We have not seen it. Nor have we experienced it. Yet, the very word is enough to strike deadly fear in our hearts. There is not a single soul who doesn`t dread the fires of hell. We are told that sinners are invariably sent there to undergo just punishment, which cleanses them of the cloying effect of misdeeds. The GAruda PurANa lists out the varied types of torture and suffering people undergo in Narakam, according to the type and quantum of their transgressions. Just a casual perusal of the relevant chapter of this purana is enough to make us toe the righteous path and cure us of the proclivity for misdeeds. To mention but one, it is reported that people having a penchant for abandoning their own lawfully-wedded spouses and consorting with others`, when they pass from this world, are made to embrace red-hot copper statues of their illegal companions. Says Sri Kalian-
The minions of the Lord of Hell are absolutely without the finer feelings: their speech is steeped in invective and their actions bereft of mercy or compassion, says Sri Thirumangai Mannan-"kadunsolAr kadiAr naman tamar". We have heard too of the cruel punishment ANi MAndavya, a Rishi, was awarded in Hell for having disfigured a dragonfly, when he was three or four year old-he was impaled on a spear. From all accounts, it would appear that the penitentiaries of earth are places of rest, relaxation and pleasurable pursuits, compared to the rigours of the Purgatory.
Dreadful as they are, we are yet curious to know about these accursed worlds, where only the offenders are taken, to work-off their sins by undergoing exemplary retribution. As to their location, Sri Vishnu Purana places them below this earth and oceans. The same Purana lists the various types of Hell and the sins of commission and omission, which provide a free passage to offenders to these worlds of terror and torment. Here are a few:
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We have not seen it. Nor have we experienced it. Yet, the very word is enough to strike deadly fear in our hearts. There is not a single soul who doesn`t dread the fires of hell. We are told that sinners are invariably sent there to undergo just punishment, which cleanses them of the cloying effect of misdeeds. The GAruda PurANa lists out the varied types of torture and suffering people undergo in Narakam, according to the type and quantum of their transgressions. Just a casual perusal of the relevant chapter of this purana is enough to make us toe the righteous path and cure us of the proclivity for misdeeds. To mention but one, it is reported that people having a penchant for abandoning their own lawfully-wedded spouses and consorting with others`, when they pass from this world, are made to embrace red-hot copper statues of their illegal companions. Says Sri Kalian-
The minions of the Lord of Hell are absolutely without the finer feelings: their speech is steeped in invective and their actions bereft of mercy or compassion, says Sri Thirumangai Mannan-"kadunsolAr kadiAr naman tamar". We have heard too of the cruel punishment ANi MAndavya, a Rishi, was awarded in Hell for having disfigured a dragonfly, when he was three or four year old-he was impaled on a spear. From all accounts, it would appear that the penitentiaries of earth are places of rest, relaxation and pleasurable pursuits, compared to the rigours of the Purgatory.
Dreadful as they are, we are yet curious to know about these accursed worlds, where only the offenders are taken, to work-off their sins by undergoing exemplary retribution. As to their location, Sri Vishnu Purana places them below this earth and oceans. The same Purana lists the various types of Hell and the sins of commission and omission, which provide a free passage to offenders to these worlds of terror and torment. Here are a few:
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Posted by : treasureddhan
Can you reproduce all those words and the context in which Garuda puran states. I would request you to post verbatim of the Garuda Puran mentioning that.
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Hi,
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and one need to constantly update
Another rule
Dont Share your computer even if password protected
Take care
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Posted by : nightowl
its not that gv,
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Callahan
I am sure that there are lots of things that you find confusing. I am surprised that you don`t find the fact of modern day idol worship in Christianity as extremely confusing.
I am sure that you have heard of the ten commandments. The fourth commandment STRICLTY prohibits idol worship of ANY sort and in spite of this idol worship is rampant in Christianity. First, go and figure out this basic contradiction and then we can try to address other confusions in life....
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Posted by : Callahan
You have a muslim way of looking at things... Just like there is a Hindu way... And just like there is MY WAY... 33 crore gods... Did you say... Concotion did u say... Hmmm... When I look inwards... What I see... What I hear... What I believe... is One god is spurious... 33 Gods... Sure a cocktail... Finally 1, 1 crore or 33 crore or 330 crore... All are man made... For to me GOD by defanition does not match definitions provided by any religion... To take ur own example... If god is the one who is responsible for everything where was the need for a messenger ??? Sure beats me... Or did someone else get beat... Or did someone else`s belief get beat... I sure wonder... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha... ROFL...
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sure hang in there, i will post it......
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Posted by : treasureddhan
Can you reproduce all those words and the context in which Garuda puran states. I would request you to post verbatim of the Garuda Puran mentioning that.
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Can you reproduce all those words and the context in which Garuda puran states. I would request you to post verbatim of the Garuda Puran mentioning that....
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Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Even garuda puran is having eternal damnation. Check it out.. i just checkd it... i have been hearing the purgatory mentioned in garuda puran so many times.. check out how one becomes a ghost in garuda puran... do u have something on similar lines like shiv puran... i have heard of garuda puran though... is there something like that for the shivites?
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JESUS CHRIST was holy spirit .HE talked about the LAST JUDGEMENT.Even PROPHET MOHAMMED talked about the Last Judgement by a differnet name that is KAYAMA OR KAYAMAT(as some people percieve).The time seems to have come....
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Posted by : treasureddhan
No GOD talks of eternal Damnation and if Christ did ever talk of Eternal Damnation he can never be considered to be HOLY or GOD. Rest for you and your friend`s judgement. Nothing scares me so long I have the faith of the Ultimate of Ultimate almighty and I am undettered with such stupid , idiotic words like `Eternal Damnation`. Ask the person who used the word to go and frieghten a 5 year old kid. In the modern days even such kids would never get to believe all those nonsensical words
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Even garuda puran is having eternal damnation. Check it out.. i just checkd it... i have been hearing the purgatory mentioned in garuda puran so many times.. check out how one becomes a ghost in garuda puran... do u have something on similar lines like shiv puran... i have heard of garuda puran though... is there something like that for the shivites?...
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Posted by : treasureddhan
No GOD talks of eternal Damnation and if Christ did ever talk of Eternal Damnation he can never be considered to be HOLY or GOD. Rest for you and your friend`s judgement. Nothing scares me so long I have the faith of the Ultimate of Ultimate almighty and I am undettered with such stupid , idiotic words like `Eternal Damnation`. Ask the person who used the word to go and frieghten a 5 year old kid. In the modern days even such kids would never get to believe all those nonsensical words
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Hi,
Got this from a friend
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Your mobile phone can actually be a life saver or an emergency tool for
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(1)
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establish the emergency number for you, and interestingly this number 112 can be dialed even if the keypad is locked. **Try it out.**
(2)
Have you locked your keys in the car? Does you car have remote keys?
This may come in handy someday. Good reason to own a cell phone:
If you lock your keys in the car and the spare keys are at home, call
someone at home on their cell phone from your cell phone.
Hold your cell phone about a foot from your car door and have the person at your home press the unlock button, holding it near the mobile phone on their end. Your car will unlock.
Saves someone from having to drive your keys to you. Distance is no object. You could be hundreds of miles away, and if you can reach someone who has the other `remote` for your car, you can unlock the doors (or the trunk).
Editor`s Note: *It works fine! We tried it out and it unlocked our car over a cell phone!`*
(3)
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Imagine your cell battery is very low, you are expecting an important call
and you don`t have a charger. Nokia instrument comes with a reserve
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this reserve and the instrument will show a 50% increase in battery. This
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AND
(4)
How to disable a STOLEN mobile phone?
To check your Mobile phone`s serial number, key in the following digits on your phone:
* # 0 6 #
A 15 digit code will appear on the screen. This number is unique to your handset. Write it down and keep it somewhere safe. When your phone gets stolen, you can phone your service provider and give them this code. They will then be able to block your handset so even if the thief changes the SIM card, your phone will be totally useless.
You probably won`t get your phone back, but at least you know that whoever stole it can`t use/sell it either. If everybody does this, there would be no point in people stealing mobile phones."
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hey prankyda
no mesasges from you? it is long time dear
reading your messges and what i find your shivvani is free ofcost?``
it ha also fallen from 550 to 450?
what is yoyr say on mrkts now shotr nd long term
please write to me
rgds` cheers
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ROCK ON: My next personal Favorite-Pranky
Posted by : pranky
Mighty
SHIV-VANI OIL is one of a Grreat Stk in my core Long Term PF....
& now my costing of the 2000 shares that I hold is FOC . :)
NB ventures I hold a very small quantity, but i sold it in Nov 07 & bought back a very very small quantity :- 1500 shares.
Cheers!!
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No GOD talks of eternal Damnation and if Christ did ever talk of Eternal Damnation he can never be considered to be HOLY or GOD. Rest for you and your friend`s judgement. Nothing scares me so long I have the faith of the Ultimate of Ultimate almighty and I am undettered with such stupid , idiotic words like `Eternal Damnation`. Ask the person who used the word to go and frieghten a 5 year old kid. In the modern days even such kids would never get to believe all those nonsensical words...
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Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Dhan,
Eternal damnation is a very scary thing.. Dhan try and revisit your faith... :) i did a google and closed it immediately. Then i rang up my aunt who is a MADHWA from head to toe and i asked her whats the purgatory ritual for nonbelief, she said its boiling in hot oil... i said then ETERNAL DAMNATION should come first :) Imagine boiling in hot oil as per garuda puran. LOL
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Right!Its high time SOME INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU LIKE RAMA AND KRISHNA came on earth to salvage humanity....
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Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Greedy one,
All saints in all religions have preached right but the followers if they become fanantics then the saints alone should help us.
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Posted by : Santa Claus
Hi found this blog on ibnlive
What is now happening in my home state Karnataka is quite disturbing. It was unthinkable before mid 90s. People like me who went to schools and colleges in the 1980s and 90s never imagined that one day our state would be divided on communal lines.
BJP's PM in waiting L K Advani's Rath Yatra of 1990-91 first sowed the seeds of communal politics in Karnataka. It was a socialist state and socialism was an integral part of the public life till early 90s. Old socialists who always opposed the Congress died and many others went to BJP or retired from politics after the decimation of Janata Parivar. The BJP occupied that space and filled political vaccum with its politics of divide and hate. BJP, once a pariah became a favourite in Karnataka politics overnight.
As our renowned writer and thinker Prof. U R Ananthamurthy says, "The Christians in the past had made contribution to the development of modern Kannada. Rev Kittel who composed the first Kannada dictionary was one of our revered ancestors. The Christians continue to run hospital and schools. Most of the gentle and caring nurses in hospitals are Christians."
It is not just that. Many people from my grand father and father's generation always practised communal harmony and held Catholic missionaries in high esteem. Thyanandur Puttannaiah, a religious Hindu and a remarkable man from my home district Shimoga had dedicated his book (a definitive account on Malnad - hilly region of Karnataka) to Christian missionaries!
It was not a surprising gesture during those days. He had a great respect for them because of their social service. He truly believed that caring and loving Catholic nuns and priests had introduced modern civilisation to the remote, inaccessible Malnad, which was known as a den of cholera and malaria during the British raj.
Even my grand father believed that the entire generation of Kannadigas in the Malnad and Coastal Karnataka survived the dreaded diseases of cholera and malaria only because of the selfless service of Catholics in the late 19th and early 20th century.
The first Kannada newspaper Mangalooru Samachara was started by a missionary from Germany Father.
Herman Mogling in 1843. The Basel Mission Church published first books in Kannada. Reverend Uttangi Channappa was a renowned Kannada folklorist, historian and reseracher of the 20th century. The great English teachers like J C Ralo and Armando Menezes shaped Mysore and Karnataka university at Dharwad during their formative years. These are just a few examples of thousands of other great Christians, who have immensely contributed to the Kannada culture and public life.
The Bajrang Dal and other radical Hindu organisations either don't know anything about our history or they don't want majority Hindus to acknowledge the importance of Christianity in Karnataka.
The Sangh parivar feels empowered after BJP captured power in Karnataka in the last May elections. With or without the knowledge or consent of the government, radical organisations like Bajrang Dal and Sri Rama Sena have unleashed a reign of terror in some parts of the state. There are enough reasons to believe that a section in the ruling BJP is stoking the fires of inter-religious animosity in Karnataka for political reasons. Anti - Christian sentiment is travelling from the coast to the capital under a benign and benevolent government which seems to think it was sworn into office to protect and promote only one community.
It is a fact that the neo radical protestant evangelists like ' The New Life Church ' are coercing innocent, poor Hindus from the lower strata of the society and converting them in some parts of the state. There are serious allegations of money playing a big role in the conversions. But, the single largest and the oldest Christian community in the state Roman Catholics are being attacked by the right wing zealots. Perhaps, the semi literate zealots don't know the difference between Catholics and other neo radical evangelists. Catholics are the most visible Christians because of their magnificent Churches, convents, colleges, seminaries, Cathedrals, Basilicas and hospitals. They are made to pay the price for the alleged anti Hindu activities of other sects.
Even if the new sects are involved in a large scale conversion activities, Bajrang Dal or any other radical organisation has no right to take law unto its own hands and punish the guilty. The visibly shaken, inexperienced chief minister B S Yeddyurappa should also realise that he is chief minister of Karnataka and it is his Constitutional obligation to protect all religions and castes irrespective of the their political affiliations and leanings.
Another sad development is the complete politicisation of the entire issue. When Karnataka is looking for a statesman to douse the raging communal flames, The Congress led central government, state government and the idle, frustrated, JDS are all busy making political calculations. The selective invoking of the Article 355 by the centre only against the BJP or NDA ruled Karnataka and Orissa has not gone down well even with the non- BJP people from the state.
They feel that the centre has no moral right to warn Karnataka and turn a blind eye to states like West Bengal or Tamil Nadu or even Maharashtra. The BJP is cleverly using it to consolidate votes and communalise the entire state. The wily old fox H D Deve Gowda also shouldn't forget that nearly a dozen people were killed in communal clashes when his son H D Kumaraswamy was the chief minister. "Secularists ", Congress, JD(S) etc can easily fool the benevolent media, but not the people.
Actually they are aiding the BJP and other communal forces in their eagerness to prove their 'secular' credentials. Falling over each other for votes and 15 minute fame will finally end in their fall and the raise of communal elements. Lets also admit that Karnataka has not always been a tolerant state. But the core values of Kannada and Karnataka have always been live and let live.
Let us admit, as a distinguished Kannada author, Prof V Sitaramiah, has pointed out, that we have had our pettiness and feuds; our limitations of outlook and failures in achievement; our bloodbaths given and taken. Our chieftains have carried off brides from marriage pavilions; our warriors have destroyed men and lands when fiendish fits were on. In their turn, they have been invaded and their capital cities have been razed to the ground or burnt to ashes.
The history of all peoples has been much the same and littered with episodes good and not so good. But the long range value preference, the pride and grateful memory of Kannada poets has been, by and large, for tolerance and the arts of peace; for conservation. This is true not of poets alone but the Kannada people as a whole...
"Allied with this distrust of fanaticism and flamboyance is a certain unsparing insistence of self-discipline and style. It is expressed in the numerous stories about Visvesvaraya, in the fastidiousness of Generals Cariappa and Thimmayya, in the philosophical volumes of Professor Hiriyanna and in the dance of Shanta Rao. In its gentler form it can be detected in the lines and brush strokes of K.K. Hebbar, in the glances and drives of G R Vishwanath, in the meditative aalaap of Mallikarjun Mansoor and in the prose of R K Narayan."
As an obsessed Kannadiga, I am hurt and sad. Because, the carefully built image of my state has severely been dented. As one of my favourite journalists from Mysore says, "Oh God forgive them, they know what they are doing."
