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IBS on the Block
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knpnorthoTracked by: 0 Boarder
not only ibsec a lot of stocks are trading at very cheeap rates. those who are interested in share market and those who have money without liabilities, this is the best time to but with plan to accumulate watching the price movements. investment in share narket is a risky issue and the risk reward ratio is very little here. anyway, it is definitely safer than at 21ooo level . buying without any stpoloss . accumulate and forget about it.
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IBS on the Block
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bennny
Dear Boarders
Even as some boarders talk about Rs.150-200 levels for IBS in a couple of years time, there is a report that the promoters have been unsuccessfully scouting for a buyer to get rid of the firm (vccircle dot com/500/news/indiabulls-securities-on-the-block-but-where-are-the-takers)! As on 30 September 2008, promoters hold only 27.11 per cent of the shares.
Against this backdrop, what should be the long term strategy for us small investers? What is the future of other mid-sized brokerages such as India Infoline, Motilal Oswal, Geojit, etc.? Please discuss.
Thanking you in anticipation of an informative discussion.
George 
IBS on the Block
Posted by : knpnorthoTracked by: 0 Boarder
donot believe these nonsenses. how can we believe all these firms are kept for sale? if you are ready to take positions please do not take . Do not try to spread these type of rumors. somebody wrote thwt it would reach 0 very soon . After his comment it has come to the positive territory ,for the last few days.
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IBS on the Block
Posted by : bennny
Dear Boarders
Even as some boarders talk about Rs.150-200 levels for IBS in a couple of years time, there is a report that the promoters have been unsuccessfully scouting for a buyer to get rid of the firm (vccircle dot com/500/news/indiabulls-securities-on-the-block-but-where-are-the-takers)! As on 30 September 2008, promoters hold only 27.11 per cent of the shares.
Against this backdrop, what should be the long term strategy for us small investers? What is the future of other mid-sized brokerages such as India Infoline, Motilal Oswal, Geojit, etc.? Please discuss.
Thanking you in anticipation of an informative discussion.
George
IBS on the Block
Posted by : bennnyTracked by: 0 Boarder
Dear Boarders
Even as some boarders talk about Rs.150-200 levels for IBS in a couple of years time, there is a report that the promoters have been unsuccessfully scouting for a buyer to get rid of the firm (vccircle dot com/500/news/indiabulls-securities-on-the-block-but-where-are-the-takers)! As on 30 September 2008, promoters hold only 27.11 per cent of the shares.
Against this backdrop, what should be the long term strategy for us small investers? What is the future of other mid-sized brokerages such as India Infoline, Motilal Oswal, Geojit, etc.? Please discuss.
Thanking you in anticipation of an informative discussion.
George ...
Please challenge my analysis
Posted by : knpnorthoTracked by: 0 Boarder
i do not know about your calculations. but if it can move around this levels for another three to six months it would give very good returns in future. in bear market it is important not to lose patience. slowly accumulate, watching the quarterly performances. This quarter may not be as bad as before. giving so much dividend itself is a sign of investor friendliness i think.so,they will give something like bonus or rights in future. i have hope. even a 2 rupee dividend is satisfactory if it can hold around 20 rupees
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Please challenge my analysis
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Guest
I feel that IB Sec can be a possible 10 bagger, with very low risk as well as giving a great 20% plus divident yield while holding it for the next 3-4 years.
The reasons are as following:
This year it should earn around 140-160 Cr as profit. The stated intention of the management is that it will distribute 70-80% as divident. Hence on an EPS of Rs 5.5 they should distribute Rs 4 as divident (last year Rs 7.5)resulting in div yield of 25% at current price of Rs 18.
Low risk because this is not a capital intensive biz and they have possible the best and largest broking francise. Poepple will trade the market whether it goes up or down.
In the next bull run m, maybe 3-4 years later, the EPS could grow to Rs 10 and the market may give it a 15 PE multiple resulting in a price of Rs 150, if very bullish maybe Rs 200. And while waiting for the 3-4 years, keep earning 25% post tax returns on your investment.
I have thought a lot about this and would like to hear thoughts supporting or against my theory.
Please challenge my analysis
Posted by : GuestTracked by: 0 Boarder
I feel that IB Sec can be a possible 10 bagger, with very low risk as well as giving a great 20% plus divident yield while holding it for the next 3-4 years.
The reasons are as following:
This year it should earn around 140-160 Cr as profit. The stated intention of the management is that it will distribute 70-80% as divident. Hence on an EPS of Rs 5.5 they should distribute Rs 4 as divident (last year Rs 7.5)resulting in div yield of 25% at current price of Rs 18.
Low risk because this is not a capital intensive biz and they have possible the best and largest broking francise. Poepple will trade the market whether it goes up or down.
In the next bull run m, maybe 3-4 years later, the EPS could grow to Rs 10 and the market may give it a 15 PE multiple resulting in a price of Rs 150, if very bullish maybe Rs 200. And while waiting for the 3-4 years, keep earning 25% post tax returns on your investment.
I have thought a lot about this and would like to hear thoughts supporting or against my theory. ...
Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : knpnorthoTracked by: 0 Boarder
dear,kadiyali, If we want to come out of pain, we might have done this to at the beginnig of the bear market or atleast in the middle . This bear phase , if not bottomed out, has reduced it`s intensity and obvious delivery buying is happening in many counters. if you are intersted, look at some of the counters like CAIRN INDIA, Ntpc. rel power, ivrcl,
etc. This type of stock specific movements are typical of a sideways market. Some will come down and some would go up. So, the trend of universal downtrend has gone. That is the fact, whether you agree or not. But i am not arguing for ibsec it may have some more downtrend. But, for the exact timing of the market cycle , it needs some more observations, Just falling of ibsec from 25 to 18 does not mean that we are in a the worst bear phase. If the market holds like this for few more days, it will also bounce. , if it can trade above 27., a rally can be expected. Let us see. iam ready accept the opposite market vies as the vies are not permnent. int he mkt the vies change.
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Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : knpnortho
dear kadiyal, you wrote reply to my letter after one month. I do not know why ?
I do agree to this point. but, the transition from bear to bull phase or to the prolonged sideways market in between the two, cannot be predicted . it is important to identify the sideways market because, the risk of losing the delivery is very much here. The risk reward ratio is high here. Ofcourse, before this sideways movements, selling was the safest method. In 2001, when the sideways to bull phase was there, Bharati was available at 20 eupees. but people afraid of further fall or those adament bears believed to get it at 10 rupees . But what happened then? it went up to 1000. So, dear friend, donot try to predict market always. Once or twice you may be right. not always.
this market shows many features of sideways movements. slowly it will , i emphasisise the word slowly, it will go into bull phase. if you can enter here with some risk , you can get 2-3 times returns long term . If you sell here you will get 20-30 % profit only , that too only if lucky.
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Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : knpnorthoTracked by: 0 Boarder
dear kadiyal, you wrote reply to my letter after one month. I do not know why ?
I do agree to this point. but, the transition from bear to bull phase or to the prolonged sideways market in between the two, cannot be predicted . it is important to identify the sideways market because, the risk of losing the delivery is very much here. The risk reward ratio is high here. Ofcourse, before this sideways movements, selling was the safest method. In 2001, when the sideways to bull phase was there, Bharati was available at 20 eupees. but people afraid of further fall or those adament bears believed to get it at 10 rupees . But what happened then? it went up to 1000. So, dear friend, donot try to predict market always. Once or twice you may be right. not always.
this market shows many features of sideways movements. slowly it will , i emphasisise the word slowly, it will go into bull phase. if you can enter here with some risk , you can get 2-3 times returns long term . If you sell here you will get 20-30 % profit only , that too only if lucky.
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Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : kadiyali
The greatest mistake investors make in a bear market is that they keep believing the bear phase will end shortly, and a bull run will start. They keep believing this week after week, and month after month. Till of course, the bear phase ends one fine day. That exactly is the pain of the bear phase. We should boldly come out of this pain, by reversing our thinking. Shares sold in a bear market rally will always be available below the selling rate, even if temporarily the share price goes up.
Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : kadiyaliTracked by: 0 Boarder
The greatest mistake investors make in a bear market is that they keep believing the bear phase will end shortly, and a bull run will start. They keep believing this week after week, and month after month. Till of course, the bear phase ends one fine day. That exactly is the pain of the bear phase. We should boldly come out of this pain, by reversing our thinking. Shares sold in a bear market rally will always be available below the selling rate, even if temporarily the share price goes up....
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Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : knpnortho
i do agree. if you are a disciplined trader, you can make money . But see, many of us are , at least i am not of that category. On many occasions we cannot get out of the hangover of our previous experiences. many could not accept the fact that we are in a real horrifying bear market and the verocity of bear market was new to us. if i could feel this i would not have entered after january 2008 .
in my experience this is just like gambling where you have to take immediate profits and stop playing and get out of market immediately . then look only after a specified period. obsession of continuing in mkt is the danger.
knpnortho
NSE Announcements on Indiabulls Sec
Posted by : MMB MessengerTracked by: 0 Boarder
Indiabulls Securities Limited has informed the Exchange that "CRISIL has assigned its highest rating of "P1+" (pronounced P one plus) to the Rs.10 Billion Short-Term Debt Programme, of the Company. CRISIL has also assigned its highest rating of "P1+" to the Rs.5.85 Billion short term bank facility of the Company."...
BSE Announcements on Indiabulls Sec
Posted by : MMB MessengerTracked by: 0 Boarder
Indiabulls Securities Ltd has informed BSE that CRISIL has assigned its highest rating of "P1+" (pronounced P one plus) to the Rs 10 Billion Short-Term Debt Programme, of the Company.
CRISIL has also assigned its highest rating of "P1+" to the Rs 5.85 Billion short term bank facility of the Company....
Is it a right bet...
Posted by : knpnorthoTracked by: 1 Boarder
anyway, it does not have a secular downtrend against the market. if it has it`s own specific risks it would have moved against the market. with the intra day movements of sensex, it moves as with other major trading shares. so, for me a specific colapse is not imminent . Ofcourse it is time to tell who is right or wrong.
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Posted by : knpnortho
we are also searching for the clues about it`s future. luckily you have only less quantity than me. i am dreaming for a stock split and 1:1 bonus. !!!! then all of us will have our puchase price coming down drastically . what else to say in this pessimistic unprecedented bear run?
with wishes
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Is it a right bet...
Posted by : knpnorthoTracked by: 1 Boarder
we are also searching for the clues about it`s future. luckily you have only less quantity than me. i am dreaming for a stock split and 1:1 bonus. !!!! then all of us will have our puchase price coming down drastically . what else to say in this pessimistic unprecedented bear run?
with wishes
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Is it a right bet...
Posted by : satish1019
I have purchased 2000 IBSEC at average price of Rs.45. Would like to know the future of the stock. I am ready to hold for next 2 yrs
Is it a right bet...
Posted by : satish1019Tracked by: 1 Boarder
I have purchased 2000 IBSEC at average price of Rs.45. Would like to know the future of the stock. I am ready to hold for next 2 yrs...
Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : RamkiTracked by: 0 Boarder
As all the messages are coming only on the same thread and all messages are displayed one by one without taking into account the user id etc....it looks as if it`s addressed to me also.....Anyways no issues now that u had clarified to me perfectly......Thanks&Regds ...
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Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : knpnortho
no, this letter was actually in reply to Mr. black shirt. i donot know how it came to you / i am mentioning about ibsec. Hindalco do have sector specific risks and the metal cycle has reversed . but i do not know anything about it.
knpnortho
Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : kadiyaliTracked by: 0 Boarder
ST target of 25 is achievable in a month`s time....
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Indbull Securities to Dip Below 20 Again...
Posted by : blackshirt12
Do u think the ST target will be 25..??
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