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Radhika ji,
I am at complete loss in undestanding your message.
"Fear is essentially vata state so the energy in fear will be expended fast since vata goes towards the state of disorganized very very quickly... vata constitution always tends to expend everything at their disposal quickly. Then markets will consolidate which will be kapha.. kapha stands for potential energy while vata stands for kinetic energy. Potential energy afer sometime has to find expression and u will see pitta taking over doing the work of building investor`s wealth."
Could you re-post the message in simple language..! Thank you very much.
Regards,
Sri...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
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radhika_nandlal
Sriman,
This slide has even caught WARREN unawares so lets excuse Udayan. Neither TA nor FA is playing out. Only fear. Fear is essentially vata state so the energy in fear will be expended fast since vata goes towards the state of disorganized very very quickly... vata constitution always tends to expend everything at their disposal quickly. Then markets will consolidate which will be kapha.. kapha stands for potential energy while vata stands for kinetic energy. Potential energy afer sometime has to find expression and u will see pitta taking over doing the work of building investor`s wealth. When markets become a hot air bubble then they burst of course... so the cycle goes on. Until you see kapha over and done with you can keep buying. 
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Sriman,
This slide has even caught WARREN unawares so lets excuse Udayan. Neither TA nor FA is playing out. Only fear. Fear is essentially vata state so the energy in fear will be expended fast since vata goes towards the state of disorganized very very quickly... vata constitution always tends to expend everything at their disposal quickly. Then markets will consolidate which will be kapha.. kapha stands for potential energy while vata stands for kinetic energy. Potential energy afer sometime has to find expression and u will see pitta taking over doing the work of building investor`s wealth. When markets become a hot air bubble then they burst of course... so the cycle goes on. Until you see kapha over and done with you can keep buying....
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
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Sriman35
Hi RN,
Your message is little confusing. Initially i thought there is some real bad news about JP Hydro.. but now it turned to be that you are just complimenting udayan`s views with out your own opinion. Hum..!
Anyways, thanks for your quick reply. It is useful. Thanks again.
bty.. I have dabur pharma in my PF. The next day after the take over or after open offer, Udayan said in one of his columns "I will not sell below 100, If I were you". He may be true but I didn`t realize that he didn`t give any time frame.
Regards,
Sri
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Hi RN,
Your message is little confusing. Initially i thought there is some real bad news about JP Hydro.. but now it turned to be that you are just complimenting udayan`s views with out your own opinion. Hum..!
Anyways, thanks for your quick reply. It is useful. Thanks again.
bty.. I have dabur pharma in my PF. The next day after the take over or after open offer, Udayan said in one of his columns "I will not sell below 100, If I were you". He may be true but I didn`t realize that he didn`t give any time frame.
Regards,
Sri...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Sriman,
The other day Udayan was mentioning why JP hydro was beaten out of shape. I cannot recollect the exact reasons but it was to do with its Fundamental worth..... i am not very FA savvy
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Sriman,
The other day Udayan was mentioning why JP hydro was beaten out of shape. I cannot recollect the exact reasons but it was to do with its Fundamental worth..... i am not very FA savvy...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : Sriman35
-Q-
Why go for nifty stocks in our portfolio, in case we invest in the wrong stock like ICICI or JP HYDRO.
-UQ-
Hi RN,
What is wrong with JP Hydro. Appreciate if you can share the info.
Regards,
Sri
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-Q-
Why go for nifty stocks in our portfolio, in case we invest in the wrong stock like ICICI or JP HYDRO.
-UQ-
Hi RN,
What is wrong with JP Hydro. Appreciate if you can share the info.
Regards,
Sri...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : radhika_nandlal
Marketman,
An investment in large caps is on everybody`s mind.
Why go for nifty stocks in our portfolio, in case we invest in the wrong stock like ICICI or JP HYDRO.
I think the best way to invest in nifty is buy NIFTY BEES, we can buy 1 unit too.. any disadvantages you are aware of in such an instrument? Do share ur views on nifty bees..
I do not think so IIP no may be an abberartion
Falling crude
Decrease inflation
Gov and RBI swift action to improve liquidity in system
P note norms revision
India US nuclear deal
All these factors would have positive impact on market sooner rather than later
GDP of 8 % would maintain,developed economy are facing severe problem more so in US hence we have retracted almost 50% in my opinion we rae over done should have good result soon.
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : marketman
We have been listening indian growth stories for few years.... our financial markets too witnessed the same trend till recently.... our policy makers repeatedly assuring the investors about the strongness of indian economy.... they are saying india is immune to world financial crisis....
But indian financial markets too collapsing along with the global cues.... almost all investors and many corporates are already in deep troubles.... few are doubting at some pvt sector banks for their suspicious behaviour....
We are also part of globe,india is not from any other planet.... this common logic is ignored by our policy makers and talking nonsenses on daily basis to confuse/mislead the indian investors aswell as indian public....
Atleast the chiefs of global economy taking few steps to control the situation,we havnot seen any types of mesures or useful decisions so far in india.... already stock markets fell more than 50% from their peaks within few months.... banks are struggling for survival,many corporates facing liquidty problem,few companies at the threshold of removing employees from payrolls,experts epecting subprime type issues may occur soon in india too.... interestingly indian rupee is weaken much within short span of time....
By seeing/experiencing all these ill effects,even patriotic indians doubting about the situation of economy in the country.... few people asking questions like Is indian economy too collapsing?!
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the supply of cash from stock mrcket is stopped long back i.e. since jan, so the banks are not receiving any cash, & hence cash crunch,...
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : marketman
We have been listening indian growth stories for few years.... our financial markets too witnessed the same trend till recently.... our policy makers repeatedly assuring the investors about the strongness of indian economy.... they are saying india is immune to world financial crisis....
But indian financial markets too collapsing along with the global cues.... almost all investors and many corporates are already in deep troubles.... few are doubting at some pvt sector banks for their suspicious behaviour....
We are also part of globe,india is not from any other planet.... this common logic is ignored by our policy makers and talking nonsenses on daily basis to confuse/mislead the indian investors aswell as indian public....
Atleast the chiefs of global economy taking few steps to control the situation,we havnot seen any types of mesures or useful decisions so far in india.... already stock markets fell more than 50% from their peaks within few months.... banks are struggling for survival,many corporates facing liquidty problem,few companies at the threshold of removing employees from payrolls,experts epecting subprime type issues may occur soon in india too.... interestingly indian rupee is weaken much within short span of time....
By seeing/experiencing all these ill effects,even patriotic indians doubting about the situation of economy in the country.... few people asking questions like Is indian economy too collapsing?!
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I am bit afraid to write a message as I am well shaken by the magnitude of the crash and as all bearish calls turns true.I lost because of my alltime bullish thinking and were trying to find supports during this bear market.
AS we think for long term gains, India is faring better and current crash is caused purely on external factors.IMF predicts a growth of 6.9 percent even during these tough days.Chinas growth was through the special economical zones and we are in the process of setting up the SEZ.Huge investment will happen in the coming years and will boost our indusrial production during and after the investment cycle.Domestic consumption will support the economy and we will see stock indexes going up and create records in the years to come.
GOD save us all....
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Is indian economy collapsing????!!!!
Posted by : Bull 2008
Dear marketman
It is not India but the US that is going through the worst phase after the 1930 crash it witnessed. This has led the mass exodus of dollars and FII`s from our country too, as is witnessed from rest of the world. The Indian economy stands firm even in this crisis.
The present situation is very tricky and painful for all. But the ones who are on the right side of the fall or the ones who moved out before the fall are the gainers. So the oppourtunity is huge but only for the smart ones.
Secondly this fall of the biggies bring huge oppourtunity for India in the mid and long term. None of our banks went bust, we don`t have a subprime like situation, and also we don`t have to bail out anything. We are steady on our growth path. The Nuke deal get signed soon, also still Indian firms are on the buy mode and acquiring firms from rest of the world, we still have the best GDP growth rate in the world. As and when the world realize these facts we will be the biggest benificary.
So biggest fall also opened the door for biggest gains. This is just the start of Indian emergence into big leaque of developed world.
Regards
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Reuters
Get it now Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:26am IST
Overnight Indian interbank interest rates jumped to a 19-month high of 23 percent on Friday, more than double the RBI`s own short-term lending rate of 9.0 percent.
WHAT WE CAN INFER FROM HERE IS IT IS AN INDIRECT MEASURE TAKEN BY GOVT. TO BAIL OUT ICICI.
aahoo
By all corcumstance it can be infered through interbank bowrrowing at higher level interst rate ICICI is able to maintain its liqidity as rumour about this bank is seen. Is it possinble by the ICICI bank to give clarifiactions with this regard....
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Posted by : aahoo
Dear boarders
If I were the man who controls the stock market, on hearing the rumours will ban shorting in ICICI bank shares and impose 5 or 10 LC so that the counter may not be in the hands of the speculators and the manipulators. But the people who are in the helm of affairs, I suspect, acted in tandem with them and sold the investors confidence.
aahoo
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Dear boarders
If I were the man who controls the stock market, on hearing the rumours will ban shorting in ICICI bank shares and impose 5 or 10 LC so that the counter may not be in the hands of the speculators and the manipulators. But the people who are in the helm of affairs, I suspect, acted in tandem with them and sold the investors confidence.
aahoo...
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ICICI BANK COLLAPSE IS THE TIP OF ICEBERG
Posted by : aahoo
DEAR BOARDERS
Knowledge about any problem or felt difficulty may be optained through FOUR ways
1. Method of Tenacity
2. Method of Authority.
3. Method of Intuition.
4. Method of Science.
Method of tenacity is based on beliefs. Beliefs are universal truths. USA is big boss and he may not fail is the belief. This statement is repeated from WW1 and it becomes truth and is believed by all. Now there is a ? mark for this belief. ICICI bank is the second largest bank in India and it can not fail is the belief. It fact is repeated time and again by ICICI chairman, FM, SEBI chairman and GOV. RBI. Here method of science fails to give us answer towards the problem which we are facing now.
Method of Authority is more reliable than that of the Method of Tenacity. The authorities FM, Chairman of SEBI, Vice-Chairman Planning commission, Governor RBI and the Chairman ICICI bank are giving statement. Even issue of statements, clarifications ICICI shares are down 20% closing. Here we are not able to get answer or solution for the problem that we are facing now.
I want to discuss about Method of Intuition later after discussing about the method of Science. In method of science we try to find answers through systematic observations and experiments with appropriate controls. TA is a way of scientific method. It clearly shows that there is problem with ICICI shares and they predict that it will still go low. One of the many functions of method of science is to prediction of the future.
Now concentrate about Method of Intuition. It agrees with reason and not necessarily with experience.
ICICI bank and rather the Indian stock market can now only be solved by this method of intuition. I suspect that ICICI bank had approached the Indian govt. for its difficulties. That is the only way-out for this bank if the rumours are true. The Govt. I reasonalise is also intent to safeguard the bank. I was surprised the see the announcement of 150 point CRR cut. This is the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. On the announcements the public sector banks strong and in fact 2% upside is seen in SBI. But private banks tanked and are the major losers. But under normal condition they should have also been strong. Let us view the matter in different angle. Suppose if there is no announcement regarding the CRR rate reduction what will be the fat of the private banks.
I have every reason to believe that the sudden announcement has some interior motive. It is intended not to stabilize the market. In the near future the FM, Gov. RBI and other owe an explanation to the country. Even under the present condition people are prepared to sell our country. Fortunately as Parliament election are due India may escape from these sellers.
FUTURE EVENTS WILL BRING OUT THE CULPRITS AND THEIR INTENTIONS
aahoo
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DEAR BOARDERS
Knowledge about any problem or felt difficulty may be optained through FOUR ways
1. Method of Tenacity
2. Method of Authority.
3. Method of Intuition.
4. Method of Science.
Method of tenacity is based on beliefs. Beliefs are universal truths. USA is big boss and he may not fail is the belief. This statement is repeated from WW1 and it becomes truth and is believed by all. Now there is a ? mark for this belief. ICICI bank is the second largest bank in India and it can not fail is the belief. It fact is repeated time and again by ICICI chairman, FM, SEBI chairman and GOV. RBI. Here method of science fails to give us answer towards the problem which we are facing now.
Method of Authority is more reliable than that of the Method of Tenacity. The authorities FM, Chairman of SEBI, Vice-Chairman Planning commission, Governor RBI and the Chairman ICICI bank are giving statement. Even issue of statements, clarifications ICICI shares are down 20% closing. Here we are not able to get answer or solution for the problem that we are facing now.
I want to discuss about Method of Intuition later after discussing about the method of Science. In method of science we try to find answers through systematic observations and experiments with appropriate controls. TA is a way of scientific method. It clearly shows that there is problem with ICICI shares and they predict that it will still go low. One of the many functions of method of science is to prediction of the future.
Now concentrate about Method of Intuition. It agrees with reason and not necessarily with experience.
ICICI bank and rather the Indian stock market can now only be solved by this method of intuition. I suspect that ICICI bank had approached the Indian govt. for its difficulties. That is the only way-out for this bank if the rumours are true. The Govt. I reasonalise is also intent to safeguard the bank. I was surprised the see the announcement of 150 point CRR cut. This is the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. On the announcements the public sector banks strong and in fact 2% upside is seen in SBI. But private banks tanked and are the major losers. But under normal condition they should have also been strong. Let us view the matter in different angle. Suppose if there is no announcement regarding the CRR rate reduction what will be the fat of the private banks.
I have every reason to believe that the sudden announcement has some interior motive. It is intended not to stabilize the market. In the near future the FM, Gov. RBI and other owe an explanation to the country. Even under the present condition people are prepared to sell our country. Fortunately as Parliament election are due India may escape from these sellers.
FUTURE EVENTS WILL BRING OUT THE CULPRITS AND THEIR INTENTIONS
aahoo
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its not that theres no effects of the global economy finacial collapse on the asian emerging, china india. clearly the vast housing, realty sectors in asia, the india economy have seen unprecedented downfall a collapse only to reveal the huge defaults in mortgage,personal loans, increase in foreclosures. the bubbles in the local india economy have only started to go bust with the signs of effects coupled with the global crises being felt with many big businesses finding difficult to be in business and many small going out of business. the various big banks only see their books filled with huge mortgage, personal corporate loans going bad and many going down. if seen the thing actually going wild in the past few years was the huge bubble growth all over the benefitting the most being the asian china, india other emerging and with the bubbles globally collapsing these economys to see unprecedented effect on the propects of many sectors actually survive any longer. ...
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After several years of rapid growth, 2009, will prove a testing year for India.
Inflation : Inflation continues to pose a threat. Inflation peaked at 12% in early August ‘08. Inflation, is being caused by rapid growth (demand pull factors) but, also the cost push inflation factors (rising oil prices). Hopefully, the fall in oil prices and higher interest rates will reduce inflation without causing too much of a slowdown.
Economic Growth. After reaching growth of 9.8% in 2007/08, growth is expected to slow down to 7%. This might not be a bad thing as it will avoid inflationary pressures building further. However, some worry the global credit crunch could reduce growth much more.
Global Recession and Indian Economy : It appears that Europe, Japan and the US are entering into recession. Falling house prices, crisis in the financial system, and lower confidence could lead to a sharp downturn, with the worst still to come.
Many argue, that India’s growth is not so dependent on growth in the West. However, the Indian stockmarkets have been hit by the global crisis. India’s growing service sector and manufacturing sector would be adversely impacted by a global downturn. However, I still feel that India’s economic success is not dependent on growth in the West, and at worst India’s growth rate will be less than hoped for.
The Indian government still have a target of 10% growth for 2010/11, but, I think this could prove unrealistic.
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It is not lack of self confidence but the frustating business environment,politics,corruption, lack of respect for IPR, and odds one has to face to set shop leave alone succeed, that inspires brain drain to the advantage of USA and other developed countries.
Let us not forget that even Tata had to contend with Nano debacle in West Bengal despite best efforts.
We would keep growing no doubt, since core values of our society are very strong,but may not be able to achieve a meteoric rise that is possible courtesy our obstacles.The same Indians flourish outside India and can there be a worse shame that all our talents are exploited by others and same languish within.
Slow progress due our system of consultative/inclusive/checks and balances type of growth,and obstacle ridden path often leads to lot of missed opportunities,and demoralises stakeholders and talent, unless one has virtue of relentless perseverance.
One silver lining though is that our core values will take us a long distance in growth path.A case in point is that even poorest of poor, may even forego every priority for educating his child towards making him a doctor or an engineer.Bright future of such a nation can never be doubted.
Our massive population,growing critical mass of educated professionals,and fierce spirit of competition for survival, will take us far ahead and may be make us an economic superpower few decades down the road.
One only wishes that we will be blessed with mature leadership,continuance of reform process and freedom from compulsions of populism in governance.
Cheers..
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Posted by : bubbu64
Dea bull 2008
If India can make it without the help of the FII`s ( which is not possible in reality) and run ahead on its own steam with courage and conviction steadily and without falling pray to the charms of the CDO`s, SIV`s etc. We have the ability ( we threw out the brits without firing a bullet), we have the knowledge ( indian have the best brains in the world and has been proven, I have lost count), we have the perseverance (many have made it from the worst poverty levels and even the middle class i.e NRN ) and finally we have the self control ( we didnt attack pakistan despite Kargil ). All in all we make a great package but we only lack in one aspect very much needed in today`s tough world and that is self confidence ( we tend to get weak kneed at times or even falter when the going gets tough ). You have the confidence then I am sure India can even be the no 1 developed country in the world. Other boarders can make any comments on what I have written.
Regards
bubbu64
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India can weather financial storm: FM
New Delhi, October 10: Finance Minister P Chidambaram expressed confidence that India can weather the storm of financial crisis blowing across the world saying the country`s economic fundamentals and the banking system were strong.
He admitted there is a liquidity crunch in the market and that the economy was facing `spill over and ripple` effects of the global storm but held out an assurance that the "RBI is ready to take further steps and infuse more liquidity if necessary".
Referring to the current global meltdown, Chidambaram said "there is a storm blowing in the world. We did not create the storm. We are facing the spillover effects or the ripple effects of the storm.
"We must brace ourself and weather the storm. I am confident that the Indian economy is strong and resilient to weather the storm and I would request all players in the economy to cooperate with the government in weathering the storm," he told PTI.
Chidambaram said "the weekend is a good time for people to reflect. Firstly, those who have money... there have been wage increases for the government servants, and many have received Diwali bonuses.
"Those who have money should spend some money and should save some money. Savings in banks are completely safe.
Our banks are well regulated and well capitalised. Depending on your risk threshold you can save in some other instruments.
Someone with a low risk threshold should save in a bank," he said.
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India`s future
Posted by : sambala
If India successfully manages its relationships with Pakistan and China, will the country`s rise to global prominence trigger serious anxieties elsewhere in the world? India`s rising economic and political power will certainly prompt some insecurity. However, the threat that rising powers pose to the existing world order depends on perceptions of their intentions as well as of their capabilities. As a result, India`s democratic political system will go a long way towards calming the apprehensions of established powers. India`s vibrantly free press, independent judiciary and messy electoral politics may sometimes hamper economic development, but they also make the prospect of an Indian superpower seem far less threatening than that of a resurgent China or Russia.
From the Economist Intelligence Unit ViewsWire
