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07 Sep 2008 07:53

That's a good idea Aru, but the only problem that I have is that I am unable to determine when nobody-wants-it or when-everybody-has-to-have-it
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In reply to:

Past history bias

Posted by : vam_aru

One more strategy could be.

Buy low, sell high. Or buy it when nobody wants it, and sell it when
everybody has to have it!

(This is what happens when our NIFTY hits 3750, and started it's up move of 900 points..Just imagine you have run your calls all along..)

07 Sep 2008 07:45

One more strategy could be.

Buy low, sell high. Or buy it when nobody wants it, and sell it when
everybody has to have it!

(This is what happens when our NIFTY hits 3750, and started it's up move of 900 points..Just imagine you have run your calls all along..)...

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Past history bias

Posted by : Oldtimer

Thanks Aru, for your response. As we have identified a possible flaw in our psyche, lets see if there are ways in which we can overcome this and profit from it.

One of the suggestions that we go against our gut feeling seems a good strategy. Are there any other?

Regards

OT

07 Sep 2008 07:37

True, even you see the advertisements of 9 rs per options Lot with RK global, How will you beleive and take the account from them?, That's why I stick to ICICI even though I pay more brokerage....

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India Infoline a fraud company??

Posted by : radhika_nandlal

Vam,

Its on MOUTHSHUT DOT COM.. i thought okay let me open an account with five paisa coz my friends say they make money from their recommendations and when i typed MOUTH SHUT and INDIA INFOLINE this is what i read... you know i am wary of the ledgers these private nonbanking borkers maintain, they have access to our accounts.

In case of ICICI BANK all debits and credits should happen through our bank accounts and they are liable for the transfers. Here we dont know to whom they debit or credit. After reading this i decided to stick with my personal broker and ICICI coz who has the enrgy to chase wrong doers these days... waste of time and energy.

07 Sep 2008 07:25

Vam,

Its on MOUTHSHUT DOT COM.. i thought okay let me open an account with five paisa coz my friends say they make money from their recommendations and when i typed MOUTH SHUT and INDIA INFOLINE this is what i read... you know i am wary of the ledgers these private nonbanking borkers maintain, they have access to our accounts.

In case of ICICI BANK all debits and credits should happen through our bank accounts and they are liable for the transfers. Here we dont know to whom they debit or credit. After reading this i decided to stick with my personal broker and ICICI coz who has the enrgy to chase wrong doers these days... waste of time and energy....

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India Infoline a fraud company??

Posted by : vam_aru

I think while taking account we sign so many forms with out even reading it, I think he might have have given the authorization also to the brokerage on behalf of him to trade, It's happen in the cases of portfolio management services been given to brokerages.( but still i may be wrong )

With ICICI I have never heard anything like this , may be other boarders can put their views.

07 Sep 2008 07:18

Q
Step out of your body and take a good look at yourself....Would you marry this person???
UQ

Oof, tough question. I used to think that I was the *cat's whiskers* as a husband; now I have second thoughts.

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Would you marry Yourself??

Posted by : micky59

Its hard to admit you have flaws.Its timeout for some social self-examination....
I`d rather be myself than anyone else??
Is the above saying true for you??You are unique.In God`s scheme,there is no one else like you anywhere in the world.No one else has exactly your abilities.No one else has exactly your talent,or your potential.Think of the hundred things you might be and the things you already are.
Step out of your body and take a good look at yourself....Would you marry this person???
Anyone?

07 Sep 2008 07:11

I too have been a victim of past-history bias. I still dont know how to get out of it. :(

Aru, suggests taking a position that is opposite of our gut feeling. What say you?
OT
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Past history bias

Posted by : eshers

Dear OT,

Absolutely.. Past history very important role and i would have probably gone along with the survey as well.. Eg, When infy started to fall from 2600, we thought 2300 was very good and went long only to realise subsequent results probably justified the price.

I think this gets even difficult for traders as many people are day-traders or cant resist to press the button when the quotes move fast.. On a day like today, i preferred to go long once its 100 pts down, because the downside atleast for today based on what i saw over the last week, looks very limited.. So i think the immediate move will be an upmove for whatever magnitude which could be right, but then my greed takes over only to realise after a week or so, that 4300CE looks very expensive..

Cheers

07 Sep 2008 07:08

Thanks Aru, for your response. As we have identified a possible flaw in our psyche, lets see if there are ways in which we can overcome this and profit from it.

One of the suggestions that we go against our gut feeling seems a good strategy. Are there any other?

Regards

OT...

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Past history bias

Posted by : vam_aru

Dear OT,

In case of First scenario i would say the market will go down to 900 first, In case of scenario 2 I would choose 1100,

But markets will prove us wrong,

so these days i want to do one thing , If gut feeling say we will go down then I will buy, If my feeling say It will be up then I will sell..

It happened with me last july 2007 , NIFTY was at 3650 and gone to 4450 in aug-sep, Then when it fallen to 4050 , I bought a lot and sold at around 4300, Then when it reached I started selling left and right only to saw the markets moved to 6300, Then when it's coming down from 5600 I started buying and burned my fingers as well...

So past history is really haunting traders...and investors.

Regards
Aru

06 Sep 2008 23:57

A matter of debate....what you have to say..!!!...

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India has given up on nuclear tests --!!!!

Posted by : zoombusiness

There is no way that India can conduct nuclear tests now,the Indian Government has given up hopes of testing nuclear devices in the future.


Since the beginning of this nuclear issue, the discussion has been revolving around India\'s commitment of voluntary moratorium on testing. Many countries were not satisfied with it. Even the Indian government started talking about that how Indian scientists have already obtained relevant data from the Pokhran tests. It was said that the government has been advised that India does not require to conduct nuclear tests. Public comments were made that now, computer simulation is sufficient to test devices. This shows that the government is reconciled about giving up nuclear tests. Rest of the fight was to avoid the backlash on the issue.

Somewhere, the government must have given the assurance that India doesn\'t require testing. The government has already said that India has the legal right to conduct nuclear tests and the United States has the legal right to react. The US has appreciated this statement. After a good amount of investment is done in the nuclear power sector, it will be difficult to return equipments, fuel, spares and resources. Because they have the right to react, your right to conduct tests is unlikely to be exercised at the cost of heavy economic fall-out.

The International Atomic Energy Agency has stipulated that once an imported power plant comes under the purview of safeguards, it will remain so till it is abandoned or it is unusable.

So, even if the fuel supplies are stopped, the power plants will be of no use to India.

The waiver obtained by India at Vienna will help Indian reactors get fuel. In that sense, it will be a great relief. It will help in the short term to mid-term prospects of the nuclear energy industry. But in the long run, it will be detrimental to India\'s research programme for thorium based technology.

The nuclear power plant suppliers are bound to influence India\'s policies, once they enter the market.

The world is not well tuned to thorium based energy programmes, so the enriched uranium based plants manufacturers will push India in a certain direction.

-Dr A N Prasad, former director of Bhabha Atomic Research Centre .

-courtesy RDN

06 Sep 2008 23:51

A matter for debate.....

There is no way that India can conduct nuclear tests now,the Indian Government has given up hopes of testing nuclear devices in the future.


Since the beginning of this nuclear issue, the discussion has been revolving around India\'s commitment of voluntary moratorium on testing. Many countries were not satisfied with it. Even the Indian government started talking about that how Indian scientists have already obtained relevant data from the Pokhran tests. It was said that the government has been advised that India does not require to conduct nuclear tests. Public comments were made that now, computer simulation is sufficient to test devices. This shows that the government is reconciled about giving up nuclear tests. Rest of the fight was to avoid the backlash on the issue.

Somewhere, the government must have given the assurance that India doesn\'t require testing. The government has already said that India has the legal right to conduct nuclear tests and the United States has the legal right to react. The US has appreciated this statement. After a good amount of investment is done in the nuclear power sector, it will be difficult to return equipments, fuel, spares and resources. Because they have the right to react, your right to conduct tests is unlikely to be exercised at the cost of heavy economic fall-out.

The International Atomic Energy Agency has stipulated that once an imported power plant comes under the purview of safeguards, it will remain so till it is abandoned or it is unusable.

So, even if the fuel supplies are stopped, the power plants will be of no use to India.

The waiver obtained by India at Vienna will help Indian reactors get fuel. In that sense, it will be a great relief. It will help in the short term to mid-term prospects of the nuclear energy industry. But in the long run, it will be detrimental to India\'s research programme for thorium based technology.

The nuclear power plant suppliers are bound to influence India\'s policies, once they enter the market.

The world is not well tuned to thorium based energy programmes, so the enriched uranium based plants manufacturers will push India in a certain direction.

-Dr A N Prasad, former director of Bhabha Atomic Research Centre .

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India Inc hails NSG waiver, sees $40 bn potential

Posted by : hembhat

Manmohan showed courage. NSG waiver would boost exports and production internally as power shortage issue can be addressed. We should start a new thread 'Will Nifty hit 6300 and Sensex 21000?'

06 Sep 2008 23:48

There is no way that India can conduct nuclear tests now,the Indian Government has given up hopes of testing nuclear devices in the future.


Since the beginning of this nuclear issue, the discussion has been revolving around India\'s commitment of voluntary moratorium on testing. Many countries were not satisfied with it. Even the Indian government started talking about that how Indian scientists have already obtained relevant data from the Pokhran tests. It was said that the government has been advised that India does not require to conduct nuclear tests. Public comments were made that now, computer simulation is sufficient to test devices. This shows that the government is reconciled about giving up nuclear tests. Rest of the fight was to avoid the backlash on the issue.

Somewhere, the government must have given the assurance that India doesn\'t require testing. The government has already said that India has the legal right to conduct nuclear tests and the United States has the legal right to react. The US has appreciated this statement. After a good amount of investment is done in the nuclear power sector, it will be difficult to return equipments, fuel, spares and resources. Because they have the right to react, your right to conduct tests is unlikely to be exercised at the cost of heavy economic fall-out.

The International Atomic Energy Agency has stipulated that once an imported power plant comes under the purview of safeguards, it will remain so till it is abandoned or it is unusable.

So, even if the fuel supplies are stopped, the power plants will be of no use to India.

The waiver obtained by India at Vienna will help Indian reactors get fuel. In that sense, it will be a great relief. It will help in the short term to mid-term prospects of the nuclear energy industry. But in the long run, it will be detrimental to India\'s research programme for thorium based technology.

The nuclear power plant suppliers are bound to influence India\'s policies, once they enter the market.

The world is not well tuned to thorium based energy programmes, so the enriched uranium based plants manufacturers will push India in a certain direction.

-Dr A N Prasad, former director of Bhabha Atomic Research Centre .

-courtesy RDN
...

06 Sep 2008 23:41

Manmohan showed courage. NSG waiver would boost exports and production internally as power shortage issue can be addressed. We should start a new thread 'Will Nifty hit 6300 and Sensex 21000?'...

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India Inc hails NSG waiver, sees $40 bn potential

Posted by : zoombusiness

As many as 400 Indian and foreign firms are seen as the beneficiaries of the far-reaching verdict in Vienna on Saturday where the 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) decided to resume civilian nuclear commerce with India.

India\'s apex industry bodies, which have hailed the decision, also feel that the country can now attract over $40 billion in foreign investment over the next 10-15 years as the result of private sector entry into India\'s nuclear power generation.

-toi-ians

06 Sep 2008 23:38

Manmohan showed courage. NSG waiver would boost exports and production internally as power shortage issue can be addressed. We should start a new thread \\\\...

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India Inc hails NSG waiver, sees $40 bn potential

Posted by : zoombusiness

As many as 400 Indian and foreign firms are seen as the beneficiaries of the far-reaching verdict in Vienna on Saturday where the 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) decided to resume civilian nuclear commerce with India.

India\'s apex industry bodies, which have hailed the decision, also feel that the country can now attract over $40 billion in foreign investment over the next 10-15 years as the result of private sector entry into India\'s nuclear power generation.

-toi-ians

06 Sep 2008 23:10

Two persons, one of whom is the president of a political party, have been arrested for cheating people by promising loans and issuing fake cheques for a bank in Alaska, a senior police official said today.

R R Pandyan, president of Rashtriya Bhim Sena and his associate Jatin Shah were arrested after ten persons filed complaints against them.-et...

06 Sep 2008 23:00
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Should children witness childbirth?
Due to a power outage, only one Paramedic responded to the call for a woman in labor. The house was very dark so the paramedic asked Kathleen, a 3-yr old girl, to hold a flashlight high over her mommy so he could see while he helped deliver the baby. Very diligently, Kathleen did as she was asked. Mother Heidi pushed and pushed and after a little while, Connor was born. The paramedic lifted him by his little feet and spanked him on his bottom. Connor began to cry. The paramedic then thanked Kathleen for her help and asked the wide-eyed 3-yr old what she thought about what she had just
witnessed. Kathleen quickly responded, 'He shouldn't have crawled in there in the first place, smack him again!' If you don't laugh at this one, there's no hope for you!
Cheers!!!
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06 Sep 2008 22:58

Dear friend
This simply reminds of the ageold British policy of divide and rule. Further US had assumed the role of Internation Policing world over.
But it has a poor success-rate. They were only successful in the disintegration of Soviet Russia, which was posing a great challenge to them in every field whether it was science or technolgy or warfare. Further it has been the policy of US not to allow any country to develop. Therefore they used a country against another as shield. They talk of democracy etc.etc. but it is only on paper. Earlier countries were a shade afraid of the magnitude of US strike potence. But unfortunately after 9/11, thier weakness is totally exposed. But despite their advanced technolgy, warfare, etc. etc. and the Great Allingnemnt on Terror, Osama is still dodging the Bush Administration. Perhaps Bush may not be able to fullfil his vow to catch him ever after his second term. Now Bush has to hand over the baton to Obama to catch Osama.

Further during the recent NSG meeting regarding waiver for India, a lot of hue and cry is made on the Nuclear Proliferation. But the same countries including US were aware of the game played by Pakistan in relation to Iran, Syria and North Korea and also earlier by China in helping Pakistan's nuclear technology. Now there are reports that Reagon and Sr.Bush were aware of these developments.

Tthe emergence of a strong European Union posing a challeng to US, and China and India are poised for greater developments, it is time for US to behave as a true country to the spirits of democracy and freedom.

First they have to arrest their diminishing image in the internation scene, which has suffered a dent and then try to improve it.
Let us hope for the best.
With best wishes,
Sridharan
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In reply to:

to all those ppl opposing the NDEAL.

Posted by : novice1000

Dr.no,

Neither Pak nor India wants war.But US wants wars throughout the world simply b\\`coz US economy is heavily dependent on defence related commercial activities.

At one hand Lockheed Martin sells F-16 planes to Pak.

At the same time Boeing offers F-18 planes to India.

If both these countries fight.. that will create some jobs in the recession stuck US economy... which in turn will give some respite to the so called financial conglemorates which are in ICU.

Not just India and Pak.. even if it happens anywhere in the world, that would benefit US.. as US is the biggest arms exporter in this Uni-polar world.

regards



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