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Hi,
When China walked out of the meeting
Bush called Huntao and asked the same question asked Pak on terror
"Are you with us or against?"
No surprise the deal went thru
That is for might of China...
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NSG waiver and our parties
Posted by :
gv
Hi,
It is a good day we got this in spite of opposition mainly China
The Americans pushed it hard and literally bulldozed
We are the only country to have waiver
with out signing CTBT
We have some different views on this Here from BJP,Left etc
One important Question for the left
Why China was opposing the deal?
Is it because they saw merit in the left
Argument it is not good for India?
One need not be a genius to understand this
It is better to have better relations with USA and western power,be part of the countries which have archived big economic progress,democracy,People liberty values etc
Why we need to get Isolated in the world and worry about China and to some extent PAK
The Policy of Non Alignment is no longer valid today,may be ok during cold war days
In a Unipolar world it serves India best to be with US,West,Russia
US literally demonstrated the push they have in International forums,
Why the left is for Isolation from very advanced countries,For what reason?
What benefits to the people?
We have seen 60s 70s and the policy we followed and the difficult times people have to go through
I have said earlier we can distribute wealth only if we have it,govt can spend money on social uplift only it is able to Tax
But if the people get poorer and poorer
Who is going to pay tax?and how govt going to fund the programme for the poor,education,health etc
The left policies is like putting green leaves in front of the horse so that horse can dream of getting the leaves and move forward
I have some questions for CPM
Why Karat is not seen giving support for Buddha for Nano land deal?
Bihar and Assam flood-- Karats Did they visit?
The Bihar problem in not new and in the last 4/5 years happening
Did the left brought this issue and solution in parliament?
30 lac people were affected,what about comrade of the poor doing?
Karats are in the issues,when they can hog the media attention
When Pak made misadventure on Kargil and or terror camps in PAK,did our CPM approach thru back door diplomacy with China to Rein Pak?
How many of the guys went jail during emergency?
We can go long on the list of Hippocratic CPM
But The BJP also did not act on national interest
The statements made by Yashwant sinha does not make any sense
Brijesh says the deal is good he is not a politician
It would be very much appreciated if Sinha travels to the flood affected Bihar and help the poor people rather talking to the press
Gv
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The Centre hopes to generate 15 million jobs by the year 2010 in the tourism sector as it targets to attract 10 million tourists in another two years.
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The standard weapons in the fight against Cancer -surgery,chemo,and radiation may soon be joined by something far simpler:Exercise.
Its a proved fact that regular exercise helps reduce the risk of recurrence of Cancer,and slows the advance of some Cancers.
In a few years ,exercise will probably be prescribed regularly for Cancer Rehab and Personal Trainers may join Oncologists,Surgeons and Radiologists as members of the Cancer -treatment team.
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Yatra.com, India's leading online travel company announced the expansion plans for its premium retail chain Yatra.com Holiday Lounge in Maharashtra....
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Hi,
It is a good day we got this in spite of opposition mainly China
The Americans pushed it hard and literally bulldozed
We are the only country to have waiver
with out signing CTBT
We have some different views on this Here from BJP,Left etc
One important Question for the left
Why China was opposing the deal?
Is it because they saw merit in the left
Argument it is not good for India?
One need not be a genius to understand this
It is better to have better relations with USA and western power,be part of the countries which have archived big economic progress,democracy,People liberty values etc
Why we need to get Isolated in the world and worry about China and to some extent PAK
The Policy of Non Alignment is no longer valid today,may be ok during cold war days
In a Unipolar world it serves India best to be with US,West,Russia
US literally demonstrated the push they have in International forums,
Why the left is for Isolation from very advanced countries,For what reason?
What benefits to the people?
We have seen 60s 70s and the policy we followed and the difficult times people have to go through
I have said earlier we can distribute wealth only if we have it,govt can spend money on social uplift only it is able to Tax
But if the people get poorer and poorer
Who is going to pay tax?and how govt going to fund the programme for the poor,education,health etc
The left policies is like putting green leaves in front of the horse so that horse can dream of getting the leaves and move forward
I have some questions for CPM
Why Karat is not seen giving support for Buddha for Nano land deal?
Bihar and Assam flood-- Karats Did they visit?
The Bihar problem in not new and in the last 4/5 years happening
Did the left brought this issue and solution in parliament?
30 lac people were affected,what about comrade of the poor doing?
Karats are in the issues,when they can hog the media attention
When Pak made misadventure on Kargil and or terror camps in PAK,did our CPM approach thru back door diplomacy with China to Rein Pak?
How many of the guys went jail during emergency?
We can go long on the list of Hippocratic CPM
But The BJP also did not act on national interest
The statements made by Yashwant sinha does not make any sense
Brijesh says the deal is good he is not a politician
It would be very much appreciated if Sinha travels to the flood affected Bihar and help the poor people rather talking to the press
Gv
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Arg,
After u type the last setence press delete couple of times so the space after the message is deleted.... ...
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to all those ppl opposing the NDEAL.
Posted by :
arg_s
Jagdish Ji,
You are right. USA stretegy was to keep the warfield far way from home as possible. Careful to see, at any cost, that they have full security for their area - say 4000 miles radius around the country. Like they raised the fort of vantage points to contain communism and prevent it from reaching their country. Now they feel insecure as, as you say, mafia has infiltrated in every pocket and they call the shots.
During world war II, as was the case with previous word war I, many countries became allies and many others enemies (axis). There were so many regulations ban on trade with enemy country etc. this was official. But actually trade did take place.
In the European countries as well as in the USA, jews controlled Business and their relationship crossed international boundaries. They were not terribly bothered about the official regulations or bans. They had a way of executing business even with forbidden countries. Similarly mafia entrenched in one country has friendly relationship throughout the world .
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Jagdish Ji,
You are right. USA stretegy was to keep the warfield far way from home as possible. Careful to see, at any cost, that they have full security for their area - say 4000 miles radius around the country. Like they raised the fort of vantage points to contain communism and prevent it from reaching their country. Now they feel insecure as, as you say, mafia has infiltrated in every pocket and they call the shots.
During world war II, as was the case with previous word war I, many countries became allies and many others enemies (axis). There were so many regulations ban on trade with enemy country etc. this was official. But actually trade did take place.
In the European countries as well as in the USA, jews controlled Business and their relationship crossed international boundaries. They were not terribly bothered about the official regulations or bans. They had a way of executing business even with forbidden countries. Similarly mafia entrenched in one country has friendly relationship throughout the world .
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to all those ppl opposing the NDEAL.
Posted by : JAGDISH GABA
arq _s,It had always been the strtegy of US to creat disturbance in two neighbours n enjoy the fruit by selling arms directly n indirectly n both fight with the arms supplied by USA
But now USA too is on radar of terrorists n thats why they are pressurising pak to have their air base,in fact they had long back
Now its the fight n control over oil
But the irony is,they had failed every where stretegically coz of strong congress
They failed in vietnam,korea,iran-iraq n afghanistan,coz they could not get osama
but their economy runs n runs on sale of arms
USA cant avoid heat in their own country too coz international mafia have deep roots every where in the world now n they are the most educated ppl in the world
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India will not be a source of proliferation, It will abide by a voluntary unilateral moratorium on nuclear testing says Pranab Mukharji.
-TH
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"The best way to cheer yourself up is to try to cheer somebody else up." - Mark Twain.
06.09.2008...
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# Quotes have power to change #
Posted by : TrueCompanion
"A man's growth is seen in the successive choirs of his friends."
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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In full text of NSG waiver, there is no mention of future testing that obliquely means India still has on its side the option to conduct tests if situation ever warrants. However India already having declared unilateral moratorium ought to be more relaxed now, should the need arise !!...
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As many as 400 Indian and foreign firms are seen as the beneficiaries of the far-reaching verdict in Vienna on Saturday where the 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) decided to resume civilian nuclear commerce with India.
India\'s apex industry bodies, which have hailed the decision, also feel that the country can now attract over $40 billion in foreign investment over the next 10-15 years as the result of private sector entry into India\'s nuclear power generation.
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Ruling Pakistan People's Party chief Asif Ali Zardari was on Saturday elected Pakistan's new President, securing a landslide victory in the elections.
As PPP lawmakers and workers shouted slogans like "Jeay Bhutto" (long live Bhutto) and "Zinda hai Bibi, zinda hai" (Benazir Bhutto is alive), Chief Election Commissioner Qazi Muhammad Farooq announced that Zardari had secured 281 of the 436 votes cast by the two houses of parliament.
According to the unofficial result declared by Farooq, Zardari's rivals lagged far behind - PML-N candidate Saeed-uz-Zaman Siddique bagged 111 votes while opposition PML-Q leader Mushahid Hussain Sayed secured 34.
Ten votes were declared invalid. The electoral college for the presidential poll comprises the Senate and National Assembly, the two houses of parliament, and the four provincial assemblies. Zardari also swept polling in the assemblies of North West Frontier Province, Sindh and Balochistan.
The 53-year-old widower of slain former premier Benazir Bhutto secured 107 votes in the 124-member NWFP assembly. Siddiqui bagged 10 votes while Sayed got only three votes. Four votes were rejected.
In the 65-member Balochistan assembly, Zardari secured 59 votes while Siddiqui and Sayed bagged two each. In the 168-strong Sindh assembly, Zardari secured 162 votes.
Counting was still underway in the Punjab assembly, where Sharif's party commands a majority.
Each vote in the two houses of parliament has a value of one, while the weightage of votes in the provincial assemblies is calculated with a complicated formula. For example, the 107 votes polled by Zardari in the NWFP assembly will have a weightage of 56 votes.
Zardari's daughters Bakhtawar and Asifa were among those who watched the counting of votes in parliament. When the result was declared, they shouted slogans along with PPP workers while Bakhtawar waved a portrait of Benazir Bhutto.
PPP workers broke into jubilation in streets of cities like Lahore, Islamabad and Karachi.
The presidential election was necessitated by the resignation last month of former President Pervez Musharraf, who stepped down to avoid impeachment by the PPP-led coalition.
A week after his resignation, the PML-N pulled out of the alliance after accusing Zardari of reneging on promises to restore judges deposed during last year's emergency and to field a non-partisan candidate for the presidential polls.
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The Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on Saturday granted India a crucial waiver that will enable it to carry out nuclear commerce, ending 34 years of isolation enforced in the wake of the 1974 Pokharan nuclear tests.
The unprecedented decision of the 45-nation nuclear cartel giving exemption to a country which has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) is a landmark step in the implementation of the Indo-US nuclear deal that will now go to the US Congress for approval.
\"After protracted negotiations, the NSG today adopted an exemption for nuclear exports to India,\" the Austrian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
\"There is a sense of relief. I am particularly happy that the waiver (for India) meets with international nuclear non-proliferation architecture,\" Peter Launsky, Austrian foreign ministry spokesman said after an unscheduled meeting of the NSG here.
Austria, along with Ireland, New Zealand and Switzerland had expressed strong reservations over the waiver being given to India that forced the grouping to have an unscheduled meeting on Saturday after two days of deliberations failed to produce a consensus.
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Can people be so naive in any country?
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N DEAL
Posted by : raj_tibs
Clean?!!! The possibility of a Chernobyl or a disaster of a far bigger magnitude than the Bhopal Gas Tragedy is what it opens the doors to. Nuclear waste that would be produced cannot be disposed off at all.
It will also provide more targets for missile based attacks before it provides any "energy".
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dear latikav -please also see my post - reproduced here.
VINAYAKA CHATHURTHI FESTIVAL - September 3, 2008
TODAY IS VINAYAKA CHATHURTHI - MAY THE SUPREME ENTITY WHO MANIFESTS AS GANESHA FOR OUR SAKE BLESS ALL BOARDERS, THEIR FAMILIIES, FRIENDS, ENVIRONMENT - SARVE JANAAH ALL ASESHA LEAVING OUT NONE WITH GOOD HEALTH, PROSPERITY, FREE FROM VIGNA ON LEGITIMATE PURSUITS. AND ULTIMATE FULFILMENT OF LIFE.
Vinayaka Chathurthi is a great festivalin southern and western India and only tolesser extent in eastern India and northern India. Only after invoking Ganesh Ji, all auspicious functions start in Bharat.
In North & East India, Ganesh ji is traditionally with devis, His sakthi known as Buddhi (intellect) and Sidhi (achievement). Bengals greatest festival Durga Puja starts with Ganeshs devi fetching sacred water from Ganga with accompaniment of drums and music. In the South, in most temples and pictures, Maha Ganapathi is shown alone. In some places he appears as Sakti Ganapathi vallabhaya saha - with Vallabha.
The elephant head is figurative clever poetic descrip of the qualities of the supreme omnipotent God. The eyes, ears, trunk the eyes small but powerful can see even the minutest thing in the universe, ears always active and hearing the most feeble prayers of devotees,sharp intellect which can give instantaneous directions, broad forehead showing wisdom, superb memory, trunk denoting immense strength for heavy duty, ever active, flexible to reach distant objects as well as very minute near objects. God, Controller of the Universe is ever active 24 x 7, alert, ready always to meet devotees prayers.
He is the SUPREME itself appearing in that most easily approachable God-form. rich or poor, or poorest of the poor seek Him No wonder Students line up before him to seek blessings before going to the examination hall. He is easily pleased with a devotionl offer of even one blade of durva grass, - easily available everywhere even in the footpath in those days. Cocoanut and modaka are the offerings. He is shown with modaka in his hand. Modaka from mudha all that which pleases you. everything, ultimately bliss. The sweet filling inside the modaka is known as - poorna - meaning full, the whole. like 100% guaranteed success. Sometimes he is shown as having in his palm the fruit Bijapura (pomegranate). He rewards devotee with fruit of actions. The name of the fruit itself gives out the secret. Can one count the number of dhana (seeds) in one fruit - imagine if each seed denotes one universe, how many universes aneka koti brahmandanam many crores of Universes all in his safe custody. He presides over them - visvotpathi, vipathi, samsthithakara their creation, final withdrawal and sustenance in the meantime.
NO WONDER GANAPATHI IS THE MOST POPULAR GOD FORM WORSHIPPED.
In Maharashtra Ganesh Chathurthi is something like a national festival full 10 days It was always observed as a festival, from time immemorial but it was Lokmanya Bala Gangadhar Tilak who gave the nation the present form people assemble in a common platform for worship forgetting all enmity and developing friendship.
In Karnataka it is noted as GOWRI GANESHA FESTIVAL. Goddess Gouri is worshipped on previous day, following which Ganesha worshipped on Chathurthi.It is like a family reunion, looked forward with great enthusiasm in all families.
In T.N Ganesh chathurthi is observed throughout. In city like Chennai, every street has its own Ganesh temple, and one could spot small Ganesh temples in front of big buildings, wherever roads cross, or wherever there is T formation when a street (road) takes off from another road. The festival is celebrated in all temples and houses.
Andhra follows Maharashtra pattern. With immersion of the idol after the 10 days Puja.
Request other boarder friends to help complete the ALL INDIA picture.
Regards ARG
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The image of Ganesha and its meaning _/\_
Posted by : latikav
An elephant's trunk has the strength to uproot a tree as well as the finesse to pick up a needle. Ganesha's trunk symbolises the fact that the wise person has both immense strength and fine discrimination. _/\_
Ganesha has large ears. The wise person hears all. He has four hands. In one hand he holds a lotus, the symbol of enlightenment . In the other hand he holds a hatchet. That is, the old karma all your sanskars, the accumulated good and bad of past deeds get cut when enlightenment comes. _/\_
The third hand holds laddus, the round sweet-meats . They are the rewards of a wise life. Ganesha is never shown eating the laddus. The wise man never partakes of the rewards of his deeds. He is not attached to them. The fourth hand is shown blessing the people. The wise man wishes the best for everyone.
Ganesha has only one tusk; the other is shown broken. There is an interesting story as to how Ganesh happened to get an elephant's head and how one tusk got broken. The symbolism of the broken tusk is that the wise person is beyond duality. _/\_
We tend to think that we end when our bodies end in the material world. We are the first person. All else is different. This duality is created by the mind which creates the ego to help us survive in this world. This 'me-other ' duality is the screen keeping us from realising our real Self, which is beyond body and mind. _/\_
Once we transcend this duality, we see the entire Universe as a single whole and we become aware of our true Selves. The single tusk of Ganesha symbolises this non-duality . Wisdom allows us to see all as one and ourselves an integral part of the whole. _/\_
Ganesha is shown sitting with one foot on the ground and the other resting on his knee, above the ground. The wise person is of this earth, yet not entirely of this earth. _/\_
Ganesha is shown seated on a rat. The reason for saying that Ganesha 'rides' on the rat is that the rat is among the greediest of all animals. It will keep nibbling at whatever is available, eating everything it can.
Scientifically, too, the rat's teeth keep growing and it has to keep chewing on something to keep these within limits. The rat is a symbol of our senses, which are never satisfied. They crave new experiences, new tastes. Left uncontrolled , they keep growing forever. The wise person rides on his senses. He keeps them under control. _/\_
Ganesha is often shown seated in front of a tray of sweets. In these images the rat is shown sitting in front of Ganesha, perhaps a bit to one side, looking up at him. The senses of the wise person are under his control and the rat dare not eat the sweets without the permission of Ganesha.
Ganesha is the son of Shiva and Parvati, the God governing the life-force and the earthmother . This symbolises the spirit and body of the wise person. Finally, the wise person has the dignity of an elephant.
When we say "Aum Ganeshaya Namah" before starting anything what we are saying is that "In what we are about to do, let wisdom be our guide" . In a sense, Ganesha is our most powerful god, and he is usually remembered before starting any rituals for other deities.
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