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Posted by : RevengeOfTheGod

Callahan
I am sure that there are lots of things that you find confusing. I am surprised that you don`t find the fact of modern day idol worship in Christianity as extremely confusing.
I am sure that you have heard of the ten commandments. The fourth commandment STRICLTY prohibits idol worship of ANY sort and in spite of this idol worship is rampant in Christianity. First, go and figure out this basic contradiction and then we can try to address other confusions in life.

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Posted by : RevengeOfTheGod

Callahan
I am sure that there are lots of things that you find confusing. I am surprised that you don`t find the fact of modern day idol worship in Christianity as extremely confusing.
I am sure that you have heard of the ten commandments. The fourth commandment STRICLTY prohibits idol worship of ANY sort and in spite of this idol worship is rampant in Christianity. First, go and figure out this basic contradiction and then we can try to address other confusions in life.

Catholics, Karnataka and BJP

Posted by : RevengeOfTheGod

Callahan
I am sure that there are lots of things that you find confusing. I am surprised that you don`t find the fact of modern day idol worship in Christianity as extremely confusing.
I am sure that you have heard of the ten commandments. The fourth commandment STRICLTY prohibits idol worship of ANY sort and in spite of this idol worship is rampant in Christianity. First, go and figure out this basic contradiction and then we can try to address other confusions in life.

Catholics, Karnataka and BJP

Posted by : RevengeOfTheGod

radhika_nandlal
Muslims believe in Jesus . No muslim is a muslim until he believes that Jesus is the messenger of God. We dont believe that Jesus is the son of God, for the very simple reason that God cannot beget human children. This thought is abhorrent to any rational being. Also, the fact that Jesus never claimed divinity. As always, his followers in a misuided zeal elevated him to a status of son of God.

Muslims believe that there is only one God - he has many names - the Creator, the most benevolent, the Lord etc. The very fact that there is only God implies that we dismiss any and all beliefs that contract this belief.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world today, due to the simple fact that most of these people are asking the right questions to which they are not getting the right answers.

a) How can one fathom that there be 33 crore gods ? How can man made idols created from Stone, clay, wood or Gold have the power to benefit us ? If there are indeed 33 crore gods with varying powers, then why bother worshiping anything other than the most powerful of these gods ?

b)Many Christians have begun to question their beliefs likes worshiping idol of Christ. Their commandments strictly forbid them from idol worship. Then how can the worshiping statues of mother mary, or human saints be justified ? Many Christians believe that the catholic church has significantly tampered with their religion. The very birth date of Christ has been tampered with ! Dec 25th is not the birth date of Christ. Like many things, this was also something that was changed to suit the convenience of the catholic priests

PS: Do you know that there is not a single mention of the `Avatars` in the vedas. Avatars is only mentioned in the smritis.

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

Dhan,

You know all along Bhisma knew that Krsna was not a cowherd... bhisma knew there was something about this God.. .when he was sleeping on arrows and Arjun comes running to him coz for him Bhisma was so dear and he was so sad about the war, he goes running to Bhisma and Bhisma waves his hand and says step back, let me see the BLUE BOY behind you..... and the entire vishnu sahsranam is composed by him on Kurkushetra as he lay dying....

This is the para i like best in Vishnu Sahsranam and i like to listen to it in ston temples either srirangapatanam or tirupati or in Srirangam... this para is sheer bliss when brahamananda of Chinmaya sings it...::


Ksheerodhanvath pradhésé susi mani vilasath saikathe mouthikănăm
Malăk lupthăsanastha spatikamani-nibair moukthikair mandithaangaha

Suprai rbhrai radhaprai ruprivirasithair muktha bheeyuusha varshaihi
Anandheenap puneeyaa dhari nalina gadha shankapaanir mukundhaha

Unquote

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

I am saying OM NAMO NARAYANA and vishnu sahsranama.. I just love vishnu sahsranam.... oooooooooo its electricity.. when the temple doors open and the bells swing and when in Srirangapatnam i see the majestic god lying and vishnu sahsranam in the background i have electrictiy in my body.... what it is i dont know.. i feel something.... and the best rendition is BRAHMANANDA...oops.. you know i used to do tulsi pooja and my hubby would be reading newspaper... he quitely enjoyed seeing me do the pooja without telling me... and he would get up only when i finished with

VISHNUM VANDE SARVA LOKAIKA NATAM.... oh electricity...

Now my tulsi dried up.. i think i will buy a new tulsi plant. Ok where did u disappear.. u dint answer my question

hurricane again!, so wait..

Posted by : Guest

as for as uncertainity is concerned, market is definetely waiting for some stable news from global cues first. as the elections ahead in US and in back home its time for us to wait until everything sets right.

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

by this proclamation many are converting to islam... is that true or its all a rumour?

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Posted by : Santa Claus

Hi found this blog on ibnlive

What is now happening in my home state Karnataka is quite disturbing. It was unthinkable before mid 90s. People like me who went to schools and colleges in the 1980s and 90s never imagined that one day our state would be divided on communal lines.


BJP's PM in waiting L K Advani's Rath Yatra of 1990-91 first sowed the seeds of communal politics in Karnataka. It was a socialist state and socialism was an integral part of the public life till early 90s. Old socialists who always opposed the Congress died and many others went to BJP or retired from politics after the decimation of Janata Parivar. The BJP occupied that space and filled political vaccum with its politics of divide and hate. BJP, once a pariah became a favourite in Karnataka politics overnight.


As our renowned writer and thinker Prof. U R Ananthamurthy says, "The Christians in the past had made contribution to the development of modern Kannada. Rev Kittel who composed the first Kannada dictionary was one of our revered ancestors. The Christians continue to run hospital and schools. Most of the gentle and caring nurses in hospitals are Christians."


It is not just that. Many people from my grand father and father's generation always practised communal harmony and held Catholic missionaries in high esteem. Thyanandur Puttannaiah, a religious Hindu and a remarkable man from my home district Shimoga had dedicated his book (a definitive account on Malnad - hilly region of Karnataka) to Christian missionaries!


It was not a surprising gesture during those days. He had a great respect for them because of their social service. He truly believed that caring and loving Catholic nuns and priests had introduced modern civilisation to the remote, inaccessible Malnad, which was known as a den of cholera and malaria during the British raj.


Even my grand father believed that the entire generation of Kannadigas in the Malnad and Coastal Karnataka survived the dreaded diseases of cholera and malaria only because of the selfless service of Catholics in the late 19th and early 20th century.


The first Kannada newspaper Mangalooru Samachara was started by a missionary from Germany Father.


Herman Mogling in 1843. The Basel Mission Church published first books in Kannada. Reverend Uttangi Channappa was a renowned Kannada folklorist, historian and reseracher of the 20th century. The great English teachers like J C Ralo and Armando Menezes shaped Mysore and Karnataka university at Dharwad during their formative years. These are just a few examples of thousands of other great Christians, who have immensely contributed to the Kannada culture and public life.


The Bajrang Dal and other radical Hindu organisations either don't know anything about our history or they don't want majority Hindus to acknowledge the importance of Christianity in Karnataka.


The Sangh parivar feels empowered after BJP captured power in Karnataka in the last May elections. With or without the knowledge or consent of the government, radical organisations like Bajrang Dal and Sri Rama Sena have unleashed a reign of terror in some parts of the state. There are enough reasons to believe that a section in the ruling BJP is stoking the fires of inter-religious animosity in Karnataka for political reasons. Anti - Christian sentiment is travelling from the coast to the capital under a benign and benevolent government which seems to think it was sworn into office to protect and promote only one community.


It is a fact that the neo radical protestant evangelists like ' The New Life Church ' are coercing innocent, poor Hindus from the lower strata of the society and converting them in some parts of the state. There are serious allegations of money playing a big role in the conversions. But, the single largest and the oldest Christian community in the state Roman Catholics are being attacked by the right wing zealots. Perhaps, the semi literate zealots don't know the difference between Catholics and other neo radical evangelists. Catholics are the most visible Christians because of their magnificent Churches, convents, colleges, seminaries, Cathedrals, Basilicas and hospitals. They are made to pay the price for the alleged anti Hindu activities of other sects.


Even if the new sects are involved in a large scale conversion activities, Bajrang Dal or any other radical organisation has no right to take law unto its own hands and punish the guilty. The visibly shaken, inexperienced chief minister B S Yeddyurappa should also realise that he is chief minister of Karnataka and it is his Constitutional obligation to protect all religions and castes irrespective of the their political affiliations and leanings.


Another sad development is the complete politicisation of the entire issue. When Karnataka is looking for a statesman to douse the raging communal flames, The Congress led central government, state government and the idle, frustrated, JDS are all busy making political calculations. The selective invoking of the Article 355 by the centre only against the BJP or NDA ruled Karnataka and Orissa has not gone down well even with the non- BJP people from the state.


They feel that the centre has no moral right to warn Karnataka and turn a blind eye to states like West Bengal or Tamil Nadu or even Maharashtra. The BJP is cleverly using it to consolidate votes and communalise the entire state. The wily old fox H D Deve Gowda also shouldn't forget that nearly a dozen people were killed in communal clashes when his son H D Kumaraswamy was the chief minister. "Secularists ", Congress, JD(S) etc can easily fool the benevolent media, but not the people.


Actually they are aiding the BJP and other communal forces in their eagerness to prove their 'secular' credentials. Falling over each other for votes and 15 minute fame will finally end in their fall and the raise of communal elements. Lets also admit that Karnataka has not always been a tolerant state. But the core values of Kannada and Karnataka have always been live and let live.


Let us admit, as a distinguished Kannada author, Prof V Sitaramiah, has pointed out, that we have had our pettiness and feuds; our limitations of outlook and failures in achievement; our bloodbaths given and taken. Our chieftains have carried off brides from marriage pavilions; our warriors have destroyed men and lands when fiendish fits were on. In their turn, they have been invaded and their capital cities have been razed to the ground or burnt to ashes.


The history of all peoples has been much the same and littered with episodes good and not so good. But the long range value preference, the pride and grateful memory of Kannada poets has been, by and large, for tolerance and the arts of peace; for conservation. This is true not of poets alone but the Kannada people as a whole...


"Allied with this distrust of fanaticism and flamboyance is a certain unsparing insistence of self-discipline and style. It is expressed in the numerous stories about Visvesvaraya, in the fastidiousness of Generals Cariappa and Thimmayya, in the philosophical volumes of Professor Hiriyanna and in the dance of Shanta Rao. In its gentler form it can be detected in the lines and brush strokes of K.K. Hebbar, in the glances and drives of G R Vishwanath, in the meditative aalaap of Mallikarjun Mansoor and in the prose of R K Narayan."


As an obsessed Kannadiga, I am hurt and sad. Because, the carefully built image of my state has severely been dented. As one of my favourite journalists from Mysore says, "Oh God forgive them, they know what they are doing."

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Posted by : Guest

do u mean to say that nandalal is messaging without reading his own scriptures......

leave alone his thorough knowledge of other scriptures =====

does hindusm have 33 crores gods.......must be fighting one another....the elephan t & the snake gods ====

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Posted by : radhika_nandlal

okay ROTG,

Progressive society believes in Allah and not Jesus or Krsna? Whats the reason. Could you tell me?