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Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
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NODIKTracked by: 2 Boarders
Dear treasureddhan,
Love for our own country is one thing, but comparining the two countries is different.
WE are neither better economically neither safer than US. Just being emotional is not enough. ` Mera bharat mahan` .. my foot...
IN a country , where people still defacte in the open , & dont wash their hands after that. 70% of our brethern, are still longing for drinking water, half of them go to bed with empty stomachs.
What are we talking.. We are just ridiculing ourselves.
US or world economy may be in deep waters right now, but in the worst of times they are better than best of times of our economy .
You should thank your stars that the, world has slowly started knowing a little bit of,`India`because of our `techies`, otherwise, what you find in your `MAHAN DESH` , leaving a few cities. Hunger, powerty,exploitation.
Get out of your IVORY tower , & have a look at `your` INDIA.
INDIAN Stock markets do not describe `Economy OF india`, they only `highlight the wealth of few`.
regds
nodi...k ...
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Posted by : treasureddhan
I apprecate your concern for your loved ones. But the fact remains that US economy is going to dwindle in the coming days and the purchasing power of the common man in that country will be dismally low. It is better all the Indian leave the country be back home ,India is much safer country than US at any point of time. It is not that I wish US should go to dogs, but it is deep water, which none can save it
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Posted by : treasureddhanTracked by: 2 Boarders
Is devaluation of dollar by US is one of the solution for economy to pick up in that country ?...
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Posted by : vkk43
I too think so. US$ is gaining while Euro and British Pound is falling. In case US$ is becoming weak, then its Dollar should weaken and not vice-versa.
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Posted by : vkk43Tracked by: 2 Boarders
I too think so. US$ is gaining while Euro and British Pound is falling. In case US$ is becoming weak, then its Dollar should weaken and not vice-versa....
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Posted by : pkjattking
No USA is not becoming weak it will b Europe.... and England..... euro and British pound is now multi year low to us dollar.......,,While European mkts took a dive there currency too take a dive....while Dow took a dive...USD was rallying........,,compare footsie to Dow...... long term while Dow has support is still in long term uptrend .... footsie wants to head for stone age.........,, we will find out very shortly......
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Posted by : pkjattkingTracked by: 2 Boarders
No USA is not becoming weak it will b Europe.... and England..... euro and British pound is now multi year low to us dollar.......,,While European mkts took a dive there currency too take a dive....while Dow took a dive...USD was rallying........,,compare footsie to Dow...... long term while Dow has support is still in long term uptrend .... footsie wants to head for stone age.........,, we will find out very shortly.........
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Posted by : ifci_rocky
Dear knair what U said is correct. But it is not the end of US , But the downfall of US started & Russia took 18 years to get stronger after prestrioka.
Same rule applies to US, it is becoming waek day by day.
Good Luck & Happy Investing.
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Posted by : vkk43Tracked by: 2 Boarders
Any views/idea about the results for IFCI??...
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Posted by : ifci_rocky
Q2 results on 14/10/08 as per BSE website.
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Posted by : ifci_rockyTracked by: 2 Boarders
Dear knair what U said is correct. But it is not the end of US , But the downfall of US started & Russia took 18 years to get stronger after prestrioka.
Same rule applies to US, it is becoming waek day by day.
Good Luck & Happy Investing....
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Posted by : knair
treassureddhan,
Well, so thats it.
You can have your view. No arguments.
As far as I am concerned, the matter is different. My children work there. Lakhs of other Indian people work there. Lot of money is coming from US to India. The IT companies are depending lot to US. Even if they are not sending lakhs of people to US for working, they get work here in India and millions of people live on that. We export worth billions to US and that money is coming to India. It is not only US. We have lakhs of people working in other countries, which have got a direct or indrect link with US. So their income is also linked with at least a few drops of US blood.
In todays world, it is difficult to segregate people. We got US girls married to Indians and Indians marry to US girls. How many Indian students study there. How many people get a living through some or the other channels of US involvement. I cannot pray for the destruction of US or any other country for that matter.
When we come back to India, we are also feeding lakhs of pakistanis and bengladeshis due to political leverage. But they are creating terror centres. Naxalites and Maoists - both communist outfits - are regularly destroying public property and killing people. They are more dangerous people than the outside terrorists. We are not capable of tracking them due to weakness in intelligence and political side-swingings. But we get some clues from Israle. Since they support US, shall we declare them unwanted? The world is so small now. We are linked with other countries also. There is no decoupling to mention about. Some or the other way, we all are interlinked whether it is Americans, West Indies, Canadians, Chinese, Maldivies, Sri Lankans or any other country for that matter.
If any thing bad happens to US, it affects to our people, at least those who live there and those who directly related to them here in India.
When WTO was downed, some tv channels show certain Arabs enjoyed it.
Some of my relatives, who were committed communists also done the same thing. But when a few of them knew that their kins also went with WTO, they could not hold. A scene a day before and a scene a day after!
I have nothing to add.
knair
Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : ifci_rockyTracked by: 2 Boarders
Q2 results on 14/10/08 as per BSE website.
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Posted by : harishkrsharma
Dear ifci rocky,
That is called the beyond the Panic point............we all can understand what we all would when we know that our money in the banks is wiped out .......
The same is happening in japan ......and japanese are the most honest persons otherwise and they are feeling cheated by such situation.
world leaders must attain the contain the confidence of the investors in a swift manner instead of looking at each other to decide.
harish sharma
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Posted by : lifaylonTracked by: 2 Boarders
G7 has announced an agreed plan BUT no blood has started to flow down the veins of the already dried-up financial world, it will take a week b4 something starts to happen
US fed will start to take stake by month-end in US banks and the take over of part equities will happen by end-third-week Markets until then markets will be volatile
Yes RBI has induced 60000cr into banks but most are for liquidity to take care of withdrawals the normal-routine and redemption call from Mutual-fund-holders which has come into play last 4days
In no-way this is going to help our stock-market for the time being...
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Posted by : harishkrsharma
G7 leaders have announced the 5 points programme to hold the crisis. Monday morning we would be able to see the reaction of this action.
harish sharma
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Posted by : lifaylonTracked by: 2 Boarders
Dear Treasure contrary to what u Hope one shud except the very fact the US still holds the world in its Tentacles This nation will bounce back vigourously 700Billion bail-out package 180Billion already Given as Stimulus + 85Billion to AIG as loan and 200Billion for Takeover of Fannie/Freddie is just 8% of GDP
Still the nation moves on Buddy
YES this Fall will make them weak so does the whole world weaker equally Even our growth will weaken by a couple of points so goes the story
world has changed considerably from the 1989 crash 19yrs down the lane BRIC has been born G7 doesnt rule the world by itself its the emerging and developed worlds totally linked like a spagetti YOU pull out one string the other will Follow ALL r now entangled
World Markets will surely fall between 14% to 20% within the next 10days b4 settling down...
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Posted by : treasureddhan
I apprecate your concern for your loved ones. But the fact remains that US economy is going to dwindle in the coming days and the purchasing power of the common man in that country will be dismally low. It is better all the Indian leave the country be back home ,India is much safer country than US at any point of time. It is not that I wish US should go to dogs, but it is deep water, which none can save it
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Posted by : lifaylonTracked by: 2 Boarders
the last para was Defeaning and Echo-ing the Truth that 70% of indians live in Rural-india which is the Heart of this nation...
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Posted by : NODIK
Dear Harish sharma jee
I would like to understand your decoupling a little more, pl. escuse me if I take little time in under standing the ` decoupling` affect on our exchanges.
As I Understand, you are saying , that our sensex or other countryies are now following or tracking Dow jones, & Sensex more or less follows Dow. Am I right harish jee.
2. If world stock mkts especially ours `decouples`from DOW, the momentum will shift to Sensex or Shangai comp, & world will track our stock mkt for daily decisions instead of Dow.( frankly I have a doubt in this too, Sensex can behave anyway without any ryme or reason,)
If that is what you are meaning , then no comments on Chinese stock mkt & its not so transparent economy, but the world mkts tracking/looking at Sensex , as bench mark, & taking investment decions, is a very optimistic view, as of now, I am sorry I beg to differ with you completely.
I would very much wish this dream comes true, but looking at our economy & total resourses available , it is wishing a little too much.
Stock mkts are barometers of economy,& (they are not truly reflecting economy, they reflect only few cos & few individuals) & as far our economy is concerned, it is `to be truthful`, still a 3rd world economy.You like it or not the fact remains.
I hope I have understood what you wanted to convey.
Just take your eyes off for a moment from stock mkts & look at `India`
U will see U R economy.
thank U sir
rgds
nodi...k
Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : treasureddhanTracked by: 2 Boarders
I apprecate your concern for your loved ones. But the fact remains that US economy is going to dwindle in the coming days and the purchasing power of the common man in that country will be dismally low. It is better all the Indian leave the country be back home ,India is much safer country than US at any point of time. It is not that I wish US should go to dogs, but it is deep water, which none can save it
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Posted by : knair
treassureddhan,
Well, so thats it.
You can have your view. No arguments.
As far as I am concerned, the matter is different. My children work there. Lakhs of other Indian people work there. Lot of money is coming from US to India. The IT companies are depending lot to US. Even if they are not sending lakhs of people to US for working, they get work here in India and millions of people live on that. We export worth billions to US and that money is coming to India. It is not only US. We have lakhs of people working in other countries, which have got a direct or indrect link with US. So their income is also linked with at least a few drops of US blood.
In todays world, it is difficult to segregate people. We got US girls married to Indians and Indians marry to US girls. How many Indian students study there. How many people get a living through some or the other channels of US involvement. I cannot pray for the destruction of US or any other country for that matter.
When we come back to India, we are also feeding lakhs of pakistanis and bengladeshis due to political leverage. But they are creating terror centres. Naxalites and Maoists - both communist outfits - are regularly destroying public property and killing people. They are more dangerous people than the outside terrorists. We are not capable of tracking them due to weakness in intelligence and political side-swingings. But we get some clues from Israle. Since they support US, shall we declare them unwanted? The world is so small now. We are linked with other countries also. There is no decoupling to mention about. Some or the other way, we all are interlinked whether it is Americans, West Indies, Canadians, Chinese, Maldivies, Sri Lankans or any other country for that matter.
If any thing bad happens to US, it affects to our people, at least those who live there and those who directly related to them here in India.
When WTO was downed, some tv channels show certain Arabs enjoyed it.
Some of my relatives, who were committed communists also done the same thing. But when a few of them knew that their kins also went with WTO, they could not hold. A scene a day before and a scene a day after!
I have nothing to add.
knair
Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : NODIKTracked by: 2 Boarders
Dear Harish sharma jee
I would like to understand your decoupling a little more, pl. escuse me if I take little time in under standing the ` decoupling` affect on our exchanges.
As I Understand, you are saying , that our sensex or other countryies are now following or tracking Dow jones, & Sensex more or less follows Dow. Am I right harish jee.
2. If world stock mkts especially ours `decouples`from DOW, the momentum will shift to Sensex or Shangai comp, & world will track our stock mkt for daily decisions instead of Dow.( frankly I have a doubt in this too, Sensex can behave anyway without any ryme or reason,)
If that is what you are meaning , then no comments on Chinese stock mkt & its not so transparent economy, but the world mkts tracking/looking at Sensex , as bench mark, & taking investment decions, is a very optimistic view, as of now, I am sorry I beg to differ with you completely.
I would very much wish this dream comes true, but looking at our economy & total resourses available , it is wishing a little too much.
Stock mkts are barometers of economy,& (they are not truly reflecting economy, they reflect only few cos & few individuals) & as far our economy is concerned, it is `to be truthful`, still a 3rd world economy.You like it or not the fact remains.
I hope I have understood what you wanted to convey.
Just take your eyes off for a moment from stock mkts & look at `India`
U will see U R economy.
thank U sir
rgds
nodi...k ...
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Posted by : harishkrsharma
Dear NODIK,
It seems you too are taking Decoupling in a different context altogether.
True todays world economies are intermingled in the Globalisation era but here on this messageboard we are talking mainly about stock markets Decoupling..........That means Focus of momentum tomorrow of world market will Decouple from Dow jones to Sensex or to Shangai Comp.
Tomorrow the world will track India & China as our stock markets will be followed by the whole world to make daily investment decision instead of just tracking Dow jones moments.........
Hope you got what Exactly the Decoupling here at this messagelink is....
harish sharma
Decoupling days are coming ahead.........
Posted by : harishkrsharmaTracked by: 2 Boarders
Dear NODIK,
It seems you too are taking Decoupling in a different context altogether.
True todays world economies are intermingled in the Globalisation era but here on this messageboard we are talking mainly about stock markets Decoupling..........That means Focus of momentum tomorrow of world market will Decouple from Dow jones to Sensex or to Shangai Comp.
Tomorrow the world will track India & China as our stock markets will be followed by the whole world to make daily investment decision instead of just tracking Dow jones moments.........
Hope you got what Exactly the Decoupling here at this messagelink is....
harish sharma...
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Posted by : NODIK
dear knair jee,
Truely said in today times ,we cannot segregate the people of this world. The world has shrunk & interdependence & interliking has taken new dimention. IF any economy is affected the ripples will be felt all over. Especially US economy , makes a big differace to our country in many ways, apart from just dollar terms.
Decoupling from world economies , means back to square one.
rgds
nodi...k
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Posted by : harishkrsharmaTracked by: 2 Boarders
Dear Novice1000,
You are taking the whole issue in a different perception altogether.I do understand your view that this can be an exploitation of the Gaps in the system.Touch your heart and answer the following in plain YES or NO....
1) were you not happy when the sensex touched 21000....?
2) Have you lost more money than you made in this Bull run.......?
3) Does stock markets really move in line with the GDP expansion.....?
4) Does in the Bull run there is no scope for speculation...?
5) Are we really capable of taking our market so high....?
if all your answers are NO than you have got the right answer........problem is in the Market Exit is more Important than the Entry is .........we Need to be an Arjun as Abhimanyu is just half educated.
Market is the master and we are just student who learns everyday..
with regds
harish sharma...
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Posted by : novice1000
dear harish,
Quote:have seen the index of 21000 only because of US inflows mainly.
Unquote:
1)First of all that level was unacceptable which has squeezed the money from many gullible retail investors.
2)Taking the sensex to unacceptable levels by price rigging is not an achievement nor desirable for the overall health of any market.
3)Indicies should move in line with GDP expansion.Otherwise the paper money created will disappear in no time resulting in many traps and systemic failures.
Quote:We as a domestic investors are still not capable of taking our markets so high .......you too shall agree.
Unquote:Taking the sensex to unnatural levels is not a capability.It is the exploitation of the gaps in the system for the benefit of select few.
regards
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Posted by : NODIKTracked by: 2 Boarders
dear knair jee,
Truely said in today times ,we cannot segregate the people of this world. The world has shrunk & interdependence & interliking has taken new dimention. IF any economy is affected the ripples will be felt all over. Especially US economy , makes a big differace to our country in many ways, apart from just dollar terms.
Decoupling from world economies , means back to square one.
rgds
nodi...k...
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Posted by : knair
treassureddhan,
Well, so thats it.
You can have your view. No arguments.
As far as I am concerned, the matter is different. My children work there. Lakhs of other Indian people work there. Lot of money is coming from US to India. The IT companies are depending lot to US. Even if they are not sending lakhs of people to US for working, they get work here in India and millions of people live on that. We export worth billions to US and that money is coming to India. It is not only US. We have lakhs of people working in other countries, which have got a direct or indrect link with US. So their income is also linked with at least a few drops of US blood.
In todays world, it is difficult to segregate people. We got US girls married to Indians and Indians marry to US girls. How many Indian students study there. How many people get a living through some or the other channels of US involvement. I cannot pray for the destruction of US or any other country for that matter.
When we come back to India, we are also feeding lakhs of pakistanis and bengladeshis due to political leverage. But they are creating terror centres. Naxalites and Maoists - both communist outfits - are regularly destroying public property and killing people. They are more dangerous people than the outside terrorists. We are not capable of tracking them due to weakness in intelligence and political side-swingings. But we get some clues from Israle. Since they support US, shall we declare them unwanted? The world is so small now. We are linked with other countries also. There is no decoupling to mention about. Some or the other way, we all are interlinked whether it is Americans, West Indies, Canadians, Chinese, Maldivies, Sri Lankans or any other country for that matter.
If any thing bad happens to US, it affects to our people, at least those who live there and those who directly related to them here in India.
When WTO was downed, some tv channels show certain Arabs enjoyed it.
Some of my relatives, who were committed communists also done the same thing. But when a few of them knew that their kins also went with WTO, they could not hold. A scene a day before and a scene a day after!
I have nothing to add.
knair
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